Author Topic: This is what Kyoto is all about (Read 1511 times)

Drunky · « **Reply #15 on:** December 03, 2004, 12:42:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Terry Gerlach, a U.S. Geological Survey Scientist ...The total from volcanoes is about...or less than 1 percent of the man-made emissions.

This still has me scratching my head as to why glaciers have been retreating since the 1800’s, long before the amounts of CO2 released by man were as significant as they appear today.

I think I can possibly answer this question.

Who exactly does Mr. Terry Gerlach work for? Is it possible that if he found different findings that he and his colleagues might not have such a lucrative government grant to study global warming and the effects that humans have on it?

Vulcan · « **Reply #16 on:** December 03, 2004, 04:58:39 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
No, why should we stop polluting when someone else won't?

That's a rather typical selfish way of thinking. My neighbour refuse to clean up his back yard, so I won't bother cleaning up mine ... or stopping the crap from spreading to my other neighbours.

Maybe you should read up on the agreement first.

You know ... engage brain then open mouth mate.

That kyoto PoS had our government talking about a fart tax on cattle, meanwhile the chinese are spewing god knows what into the atmosphere.

Its ridiculous. And anyone who supports comes out looking like a handsomehunk left-wing tree-hugging whale-humping man-hating vegetarian lesbian (ie you... well maybe not the lesbian bit).

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #17 on:** December 03, 2004, 05:15:16 AM »

Hey GS I belive the analogy you are looking for is more like this:

I will (read: must due to Kyoto law) clean my yard while my chinese neighbor and his 15 children are free to dump smelly poisenous garbage in continously increasing quantities into his yard, my yard, the other neighbors yard and the public street all while enjoying more free time and resources not spent cleaning to get rich instead of to cleaning like me.

But hey, you do get to be morally superior!

Krusher · « **Reply #18 on:** December 03, 2004, 07:27:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Thought it would be interesting to pull up some other threads on the subject.

What Bush said in March 2001

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=65997&referrerid=3203

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=16828&referrerid=3203

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=16857&referrerid=3203

Thanks Rip,
I just finished reading the old links btw very interesting.

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #19 on:** December 03, 2004, 08:10:30 AM »

we act like we have a second earth ready after this one
is exhaust.

But hey our children children will have to live with it, not we!

Gunslinger · « **Reply #20 on:** December 03, 2004, 08:22:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Montezuma
You don't know a damn thing about the California economy.

If you don't like it get the hell out.

Like/Dislike is irrelevent. What I did was make an "analagy" to what happened to CAs Economy. If you don't like it don't post!

lazs2 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 03, 2004, 08:47:30 AM »

isn't there a site somewhere that breaks down different forms of pollution by a per capita form? I seen it once and it seemed to show that even tho the U.S. is the most productive of countries it is far down on percapita pollution in most cases.

If money were not the reason for wanting us in then it would seem that bringing all the other countries up to at least our standards first would be the most logical.

lazs

Krusher · « **Reply #22 on:** December 03, 2004, 10:22:17 AM »

The EU (which ratified the Kyoto Protocol and thus faces mandatory emission reductions) has reduced energy intensity by only 7.5 % compared to the 15.8% percent reduction achieved by the USA over the 1992- 2001 period. Similarly, the ratio of CO2 emissions per dollar of output has decreased faster in the U.S. than in the EU over the past decade, 15.3% for the USA compared to 13.8% in Europe. By adopting a voluntary approach to emission reductions, the Bush Administration balances multiple policy objectives, including maintaining strong economic growth and enhanced environmental quality. In contrast, economic growth in the EU is weak and unemployment is high - about 10% in recent years.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 03, 2004, 01:30:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin

In this image, it shows that these Montana galaciers seem to have lost half of their 1850 area before WW2.

I blame Boosh.

ra · « **Reply #24 on:** December 03, 2004, 01:43:17 PM »

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This still has me scratching my head as to why glaciers have been retreating since the 1800’s, long before the amounts of CO2 released by man were as significant as they appear today.

The "Little Iceage" which started in the 1500's didn't completely end till the mid-1800's.

Momus-- · « **Reply #25 on:** December 03, 2004, 01:49:51 PM »

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Originally posted by slimm50
Ya know, if this kind of attitude (that which is exhibited by countries around the world towards U.S.) persists I'm afraid eventually enough U.S. citizens will adopt a "screw them" attitude and we could end up with an isolationist attitude reminiscent of the pre-wwii era in America.

Yeah, here's hoping.

mora · « **Reply #26 on:** December 03, 2004, 02:15:53 PM »

Nearly all other countries in the world support the theory that global warming is caused by the actions of the humans. Do you believe that the reason for this is the envy towards USA?

straffo · « **Reply #27 on:** December 03, 2004, 02:17:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusher
The EU (which ratified the Kyoto Protocol and thus faces mandatory emission reductions) has reduced energy intensity by only 7.5 % compared to the 15.8% percent reduction achieved by the USA over the 1992- 2001 period. Similarly, the ratio of CO2 emissions per dollar of output has decreased faster in the U.S. than in the EU over the past decade, 15.3% for the USA compared to 13.8% in Europe. By adopting a voluntary approach to emission reductions, the Bush Administration balances multiple policy objectives, including maintaining strong economic growth and enhanced environmental quality. In contrast, economic growth in the EU is weak and unemployment is high - about 10% in recent years.

Comparing percentage is never a good idea.
Plus often it as no sense at all.

Vulcan · « **Reply #28 on:** December 03, 2004, 03:28:29 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Hey GS I belive the analogy you are looking for is more like this:

I will (read: must due to Kyoto law) clean my yard while my chinese neighbor and his 15 children are free to dump smelly poisenous garbage in continously increasing quantities into his yard, my yard, the other neighbors yard and the public street all while enjoying more free time and resources not spent cleaning to get rich instead of to cleaning like me.

But hey, you do get to be morally superior!

You forgot to add:
And every time I fart I pay him $1000 to put up with the smell.

lazs2 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 03, 2004, 04:44:18 PM »

so we all agree that the U.S. is a good example of what everyone else should be doing but the only reason that we want the U.S. involved is not for their superior programs and efforts and teaching.... but to punish them by making them pay for the pollution of others?

lazs