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Offline Crumpp

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« Reply #90 on: December 11, 2004, 10:52:51 AM »
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Then again we don't need to invade anyone.


Yes because your country is small and insignificant in the World Power structure.  Norway does not get blamed for every wrong in the world.

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« Reply #91 on: December 11, 2004, 10:53:07 AM »
Gscholtz is an attention potato, stop feeding him and he'll go away.
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« Reply #92 on: December 11, 2004, 10:54:17 AM »
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So now you want to dictate law and what's considered "right" in other countries? Typical.


Is that what your anger and paranoia read into that statement?

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« Reply #93 on: December 11, 2004, 10:54:21 AM »
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So now you want to dictate law and what's considered "right" in other countries? Typical.


You seem to be happy with that in your support of some unwritten internatinal laws that you claim apply to all people's whether they choose to accept them or not...  These laws are so dear to you that they even make invading violator nations legal in your view..
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« Reply #94 on: December 11, 2004, 10:56:05 AM »
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Gscholtz is an attention potato, stop feeding him and he'll go away.


But he so fun and easy to make look silly!!

Like a moth to a lamp, he just bounces from one stupid concept to another...


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« Reply #95 on: December 11, 2004, 10:59:45 AM »
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Most of the blame you get is well earned.


How does it feel to eat a steady diet of propaganda?

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« Reply #96 on: December 11, 2004, 10:59:47 AM »
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Originally posted by Crumpp
Crap.  If that is what you believe then your system is truly lost.


It's not what I believe it's a constat,a fact.

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A legal system exist's to prevent the strong from praying on the weak and doing what is wrong.[/B]


Nope, a legal system is made to give rules a legal system don't care nor protect the weak.

It can produce legal judgement like the one discussed in this thread First time marijuana seller gets 55 years


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Now both morals and legallity have evolved over the years to reflect changing attitudes.  When they are out of balance then it a well designed legal system, laws change.[/B]


Almost :)
A legal system change when some one manage to have a consencus for a new law or a revised version, law don't change on its own will :) (I know it nitpicking :))
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« Reply #97 on: December 11, 2004, 11:00:02 AM »
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Most of the blame you get is well earned.


Even Bin Laden's stated reasons behind 9/11?
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« Reply #98 on: December 11, 2004, 11:02:59 AM »
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It was perfectly legal to own slaves in 1840 America..

So it was ok then, right? There is nothing wrong with it, there is nothing illegal, it's ok?


It was legal in 1840.

Not moral according to my education , but certainly it was for some or the secession war wouldn't have started.

Segregation was legal some years ago.
Not moral but I'm sure there is a least one living person thinking it is moral.
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« Reply #99 on: December 11, 2004, 11:12:44 AM »
GS you say my views are unrealistic about how things should work.

Just to be clear, I am glad somebody came to help my old country and all the peoples. I understand the UN had a very hard job to do in a complicated civil war so I'm thankful that they helped as they could. However none of that takes away from the fact that srebrenica was a disaster.

So please tell me what I should have realstically expected from the UN safe havens? How shpuld have srebrenica worked out with the serbs coming?
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« Reply #100 on: December 11, 2004, 11:21:27 AM »
Its not a diversion, its perfectly on topic.

First, its a clear case of something being legal but not morally correct. This is entirely applicable to this thread since you claim the Iraq overflights were illegal and I  contend that legality in itself is not enough.

Second, you said my views as to how things should work are unrealstic.

I am simply asking you for clarification.
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« Reply #101 on: December 11, 2004, 11:37:08 AM »
I understand GS, we have argued over this too much.

Back to the flights only. I believe you once said that germany would have been legaly invaded for its treatment of jews even if it was done just in its own borders under current German laws - meaning Hitler's whim.

How is that legal attack on Germany to protect the jews any different than the US and UK overflying Iraq to protect Shias and Kurds from the whims of Saddam hussein and Iraq law?
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« Reply #102 on: December 11, 2004, 11:58:44 AM »
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Segregation was legal some years ago.


So legal systems do evolve to reflect morality.

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« Reply #103 on: December 15, 2004, 09:03:21 AM »
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I understand GS, we have argued over this too much.

Back to the flights only. I believe you once said that germany would have been legaly invaded for its treatment of jews even if it was done just in its own borders under current German laws - meaning Hitler's whim.

How is that legal attack on Germany to protect the jews any different than the US and UK overflying Iraq to protect Shias and Kurds from the whims of Saddam hussein and Iraq law?

If you must ask this question you obiously have no fashion sense .
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« Reply #104 on: December 15, 2004, 04:20:12 PM »
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As a soldier your Boss is not your superior officer, or the military, or the government, or the President, but the people of your country. It is they who ultimately should decide if the actions by the military is justifiable or not, because it is they who ultimately will be held responsible for them.


We'd never win a war with that attitude!!

When push comes to shove, and the military is called upon to go into combat, strict and immediate adherence to NCO's and officer's orders (legal orders) is paramount in order to do the job with as little loss of life as possible.

If any private out there feels he has to answer to the public rather than his squad leader, he is not a soldier.
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