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Offline Slash27

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« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2004, 03:11:12 PM »
Good explaination. Thanks.
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Offline 214thCavalier

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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2004, 03:11:51 PM »
No problem :D
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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2004, 03:28:08 PM »
awesome explanation Cavalier :aok

zoom climb / NO G load climb - when you have made your pass or dive, angle plane up quickly about 45 to 65 degree angle nose above horizon and slightly push stick forward to rest the G meter on Zero, you will shoot back up to alt like a rocket! figuratively speaking.........you will re attain your alt quickly best to do when say 275 IAS or faster as you peak back out and start to slow your nose will start to level off


some articles to read:
Winning the Co-E Chase by Badboy

High G Roll over the Top Pic

High G Roll Underneath Pic

It's All a Matter Of Perspective Part 4  by Andy Bush
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« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2004, 03:38:40 PM »
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some articles to read:
Winning the Co-E Chase by Badboy
 


i do this quite a bit... i read this long ago, and i guess it just stuck with me...  also a piece of real life advice (from earl miller) was to keep the bad guy in the upper portion of your canopy while in tail/lower alt pursuit.
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« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2004, 03:44:26 PM »
OK, will a b outturn a d low and slow.....?OK, will a b outturn a d low and slow.....?


Talked to a ww2 vet today at an air museum. He said IRL the b and c ponies out performed the d model in "flight" on paper due to stall characteristics. Apparently the removal of half the rear fuselage "vertically" left the d model with some erratic handling. However the the xtra guns and visibility were well worth the trade. Also some  b and c pilots requested the spit type canopy so they could see better to the rear.
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« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2004, 06:45:03 PM »
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and black leather undies when flying the 190


I do.
And I also keep a 12 plait 6ft snake whip made from bonafide Kangaroo hide behind the back seat for those close up enguagements.

A real attention getter :D
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« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2004, 06:50:29 PM »
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Heh, A good Pony pilot will eat yours or any other 190 for Brunch.:


I suggest you place your emphasis on "GOOD pony pilot"

Most pony pilots here, arent.  unless they are working in pairs
Hence my statement

but yes a "good" pony pilot should be able to take my 190
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« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2004, 06:51:22 PM »
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Avoid my 190 with your 51at all costs, unless you have numbers superiority or yout fix'n to cherry pick me
Most of you will live alot longer


190?  At least pick a G-10,  then you can outclimb me if it lasts that long..

I've fought many LW pilots in my 51,  both in MA and DA..  G-10 was the only plane i always had problem with,  smart pilots will outclimb me on the merge,  and then BnZ me till death,  granted it gets boring,  but they are flying the plane the correct way.

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P-51 is a great ANGLE fighter,  why resort to constant turning when you can take a shortcut to take that snapshot.
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« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2004, 07:05:37 PM »
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190?  At least pick a G-10,  then you can outclimb me if it lasts that long..

I've fought many LW pilots in my 51,  both in MA and DA..  G-10 was the only plane i always had problem with,  smart pilots will outclimb me on the merge,  and then BnZ me till death,  granted it gets boring,  but they are flying the plane the correct way.

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P-51 is a great ANGLE fighter,  why resort to constant turning when you can take a shortcut to take that snapshot.


Cept for this Campaign where I seem to be having problems against everything lately I rarely have problems against the pony.

Actuallly the only planes I have problems with on any kind of consistant basis is the spit and the La7.

Which reminds me. the La7 seem somehow different to anyone else lately? as in even more souped up?
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« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2004, 07:38:06 PM »
you stall, you fall.
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« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2004, 07:38:09 PM »
seems more toned down, actually...  can't run down d9's, ponys or tiffs (or 109g10) otd as quick as used to be.

wonder if the gfx bug of always seeing shadow of gear is somehow related to this?
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« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2004, 09:19:01 PM »
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Heh, A good Pony pilot will eat yours or any other 190 for Brunch., all else being equal.


In tour 58:

Fw 190A-5 has 320 Kills of P-51D  
P-51D has 197 Kills of Fw 190A-5

Fw 190A-8 has 378 Kills of P-51D
P-51D has 307 Kills of Fw 190A-8

Fw 190D-9 has 756 Kills of P-51D
P-51D has 539 Kills of Fw 190D-9

Fw 190F-8 has 30 Kills of P-51D
P-51D has 44 Kills of Fw 190F-8

Fw 190A-5 has 26 Kills of P-51B
P-51B has 10 Kills of Fw 190A-5

Fw 190A-5 has 26 Kills of P-51B
P-51B has 10 Kills of Fw 190A-5

Fw 190D-9 has 56 Kills of P-51B
P-51B has 39 Kills of Fw 190D-9

Fw 190F-8 has 1 Kills of P-51B
P-51B has 1 Kills of Fw 190F-8

It would seem therefore that as a MA ride, the 190s do quite well.

I fly a 190A8, it is a very good MA plane, fast, lots of fuel, lots of ammo, and with the 4-20mm & 2-50 cal package, it really packs a punch for either fighters or bombers.

1 on 1 a good pony pilot will win, but the MA isn't a 1 on 1 arena.

All in all though, I do believe the Pony D is the best non-perk ride in the MA.  Flown right, you should be unbeatable.  :aok
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« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2004, 10:58:50 PM »
Green get big, pull up.

Blue go Black, push down.

What else is there?
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« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2004, 12:31:27 AM »
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In tour 58:
Fw 190F-8 has 1 Kills of P-51B
P-51B has 1 Kills of Fw 190F-8

It would seem therefore that as a MA ride, the 190s do quite well.

I fly a 190A8, it is a very good MA plane, fast, lots of fuel, lots of ammo, and with the 4-20mm & 2-50 cal package, it really packs a punch for either fighters or bombers.

1 on 1 a good pony pilot will win, but the MA isn't a 1 on 1 arena.

All in all though, I do believe the Pony D is the best non-perk ride in the MA.  Flown right, you should be unbeatable.  :aok


Tour 58 I killed Pony Ds at over a 4-1 ratio

a little over 3-1 in tour 57

Tour 56 was bad for me less then 2-1

Actually I had to go back ten tours to tour 48 before I finally found one where Pony D's killed me more often then I killed them and my main ride then was a NIKI
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« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2004, 01:31:34 AM »
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IMHO the Pony D is the best non-perk ride.  


   Yep, maybe you are right, P51D has the best peformance from 0 to 20+k, but i can't kill acs now with .50cals, and to bring down a formation of ''flying tigers ''B24s i need cannons, can't  stay too long in his 6 and straffe the wing tips with .50cal
 La7 under 12k is faster, better firepower with 3x20mm, better acceleration. 90% of the fights in MA are under 10k
  But since B24s came out,i discovered  the 109G10, best bomber killer, acceleration,firepower,WEP, climb rate,and now are more B24s than fighters in MA , without gondolas turns better great fighter, nothig can catch the G10 on spiral climb, sux in dive,lol
  This is all i  noticed about G10 since B24s came out, and i start flying it,
I'm sure JBs, Dutchie,Urcin,yaws and many others good 109s fighters, know more about G10, and wouldn't trade it for P51D
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