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Offline Wilbus

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« Reply #60 on: September 16, 2005, 05:52:38 AM »
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Run and cherry pick.  






Never seen one do anything else.


Haven't met many P51's have you? Nor have you flown them much I suppose ;)

It is a superb stallfighting machine when flown right and capable of much more then run and cherry pick.
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« Reply #61 on: September 16, 2005, 11:36:27 AM »
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you mean AUX tank, right?

I most times take 75% 2 DTs, burn AUX tank first then switch to DTs, or sometimes 50% and 2 DTs

also use manual trim and trim it out level flight at around 300 to 325 IAS then leave it trimmed at that setting and fight with it at speeds from 400/375 all way down to 50 IAS depending on which type of fighting I am doing...all guns I set a 350 convergence


I actually read that this is exactly what pony jocks did!  Took DT's, but burned fuselage tanks first.  I also remember Chuck Yeager talking about a time when he forgot to drain fuselage first and almost snaprolled on landing....

Being old, this consumed many memory cells.... already forgotten! hehe

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« Reply #62 on: September 16, 2005, 11:43:31 AM »
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OK, will a b outturn a d low and slow.....?



Yes! IMO.  I mostly fly ponies and have fallen in love with the way a B-pony handles in all respects.  I have gone 1 v 1 against D-ponies and lala's low and slow and unless it is an exceptional vpilot, I win.  Just hope he has no buddies near by once you are low n slow though.. cuz then yer dead.

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« Reply #63 on: September 16, 2005, 12:20:20 PM »
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Yes! IMO.  I mostly fly ponies and have fallen in love with the way a B-pony handles in all respects.  I have gone 1 v 1 against D-ponies and lala's low and slow and unless it is an exceptional vpilot, I win.  Just hope he has no buddies near by once you are low n slow though.. cuz then yer dead.


Yup Bulzeye. I gained new respect for the P51B that afternoon you and Vati cornered my Tempest at about 18k. I may have been able to give one of you the slip or won a protracted turnfight, doubtfull though, two of you left me with no options from 18k right down to deck. The P51B out-turns anything it can't outrun, that's a nice place to be in.

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« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2005, 12:30:41 PM »
unless u fitin a p51d..then the b pony loses.
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« Reply #65 on: September 16, 2005, 12:41:28 PM »
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unless u fitin a p51d..then the b pony loses.



I disagree with this completely.  Low n slow, I would rather have a B-pony because of its better stability.  I have won more than lost vs a d-pony when flying the b.

And Zazen, I remember that fight well!  We pushed you down and Vati finally got the kill and I got an assist.  Not bragging but when we wing together in ponies, we are a pretty formitable pair!  And we have been winging for over 2 years now, so we know what the other is going to do without saying a word!

I remember a GREAT fight we got in with Midnight, Skatsr and 2 other ponies against Vati, Biggunns, and I.  they came into our base with ALT and tried to keep us pressed to the deck.  SkatSr was all over my b-pony and I was able to stay out of his guns and he eventually augered I believe.  Vati and I then teamed up against Midnight and got his D-pony low n slow and he didn't make it.  I can't remember who the other 2 were, but that was a great fight!  i wish I had filmed it.

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« Reply #66 on: September 16, 2005, 12:46:41 PM »
D pony should win evry time with it's superior climb/speed
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« Reply #67 on: September 16, 2005, 01:08:15 PM »
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D pony should win evry time with it's superior climb/speed


Well, if yer low n slow AND in a turn fight, these "benefits" are actually N/A.  The D's speed is only about 10 mph faster on the deck, and drops off drastically above 8k where the B has the advantage of top speed.  D doesn't get it back again until the high teenk's.  also, the over climb rate of the B through various altitudes is better on average than the D, again until higher alts.  If the D has alt and E, then I too would give the advantage.  However getting an overconfident D-pilot to follow you down below 10K (where b is superior) is rather easy.  

As a sidebar, has anyone noticed the b-pony's guns seem to take alot more hits to get a kill this last week?


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« Reply #68 on: September 16, 2005, 02:00:18 PM »
I wouldn't read to much into charts...the seat of the pants reality is the D pony can climb out,extend and win every time...am i the only one who agrees with this?..Much like the 190D vs P51D.
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« Reply #69 on: September 16, 2005, 02:24:56 PM »
Well,

My main rides have been the ponies for just about 3 years now, and the differences are not that great IMO.  But, it all comes down to the person flying I guess.  If handled right, I would prefer the B-pony in a 1 v 1 fight vs a D-pony between 8 and 15k.

To each his own!

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« Reply #70 on: September 16, 2005, 09:29:54 PM »
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And Zazen, I remember that fight well!  We pushed you down and Vati finally got the kill and I got an assist.  Not bragging but when we wing together in ponies, we are a pretty formitable pair!  And we have been winging for over 2 years now, so we know what the other is going to do without saying a word!

 


Without a doubt, I don't get out-thought or out-manuevered often,  but you two did just that. I remember every second of that as if it just happened a minute ago. I made several mistakes and learned from them gaining new respect for the P51B in the process. You two left me with no viable egress or opportunity to gain a gunnery solution.  I credit that to your winging tactics and the qualities of the P51B. That's a credit to the P51B that it can out-class a perk plane in that unique situation from 18k to the deck.

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