Lazs2 - Rifle Advise

[lazs2]

everyone here is right.    depends on what you want... what rantges etc.  If you never shoot at anything farther than 75 or 100 yards and smaller than a coyote... the mini 14 is great plus.. it is a good light carbine and stainless steel and uterly reliable and... can be pretty effective for self defense..

If more range is needed and you don't care about recoil.... a lot of surplus military bolt actions will all group an easy 3" at 100 yards and ammo is relatively cjheap.

If you want the most accurate new gun that you can get for the money in your choice of calibers... the savage is probly the best bet  you can even get it with a scope allready mounted..  depends on what you want.  

The savag, mini 14 and surplus rifles are all great values that you can knock around without feeling guilty... they all have their pluss's and mionus's tho.  Why not get all three?

lazs

[Rude]

I would suggest the Winchester model 94....comes in either .357 or 30-30...runs around $400.00.

It was my first deer rifle....very accurate for no scope and a shorter barrelled rifle.

[DieAz]

Originally posted by lasersailor184

Imagine with a .223 .  Once you kill them, you have to go out there and clean them up.

thats a buzzard's job.  yanno they need to eat too.

[kevykev56]

There are lots of old mausers out there that can be had for cheap. I have a 1943 Turkish mauser that shoots 2" groups at 100yards with open sights. I paid $80 for the rifle. Ammo can be had for around $.06 per round for the surplus stuff.

Turk Mauser


Also I have a Yugo SKS. It is made with the same equipment that the russians used. They are just as accurate and reliable, but much cheaper. They also come with attached Grenade Launcher and bayonet.

SKS M59/66

Or without the Launcher for those in Cali

SKS M59


RHIN0

[capt. apathy]

I've always been partial to a simple bolt action .30-06 with 50gr 'accelerators'.  

you can buy the sabots at any gun show and load your own,  they haven't let you buy factory accelerators for about 20 yrs though.

IIRC the factory loads claimed somewhere in the 3,400 fps neighborhood.

they shot very flat.  I've used them regularly out to 275yds and they were always very accurate.

[Maniac]

A gun thread without any gun pictures.

That sucks.

[DieAz]

Originally posted by capt. apathy
I've always been partial to a simple bolt action .30-06 with 50gr 'accelerators'.  

you can buy the sabots at any gun show and load your own,  they haven't let you buy factory accelerators for about 20 yrs though.

IIRC the factory loads claimed somewhere in the 3,400 fps neighborhood.

they shot very flat.  I've used them regularly out to 275yds and they were always very accurate.

got my hands on a box of .30-06 accelerators, those things are awesome. .22 cal.  around 6000 fps. I was target shooting, loaded a bolt action savage with scope. sat down on a bench rest, aimed, pulled the trigger, heard the click of the hammer fall, seen a hole appear in the target, target fluttered, heard the loudest bang I've ever heard out of a gun of any kind(more like an explosion), then it kicked.  

sighted in right, it'll be kind of hard to miss using them. by the time ya hear the hammer click, the bullet has left the barrel.< it seems anyway.

[Dago]

Well, it's overkill, but the Springfield Armory Super National Match M1A with the 1 in 10 rh twist would be the way to kill anything out at 300 yards or more.  

Of course, you could get the standard field grade and still have an excellant weapon for a lot less.  

If budget and time aren't an issue, have the Fulton Armory custom build ya one, the peerless shoots sub 1" MOA at 100 yrds.  

Of course, the 7.62x51 round is a tad strong for varmits, but it will do the job and be ready for anything bigger.  

dago

[Dune]

If you're thinking bolt-action.  There are a lot of good ones out there, but one of the best is the Weatherby Vanguard.  They are made in Japan by Howa and you can get them at Wally-Mart.  I own an older model that came in .338 Win Mag and I rebarreled in it .257 Wby.  I have been really impressed with the fit and finish of this rifle.  It comes with a duel locking log bolt and an M-16 style extracter.



I have bought new Winchester M70 Classics and know people who have bought new Remingtons, Dakotas and Kimbers.  The Remingtons break extracters.  One load of Kimbers would release the firing pin if you slammed the bolt home too hard.  And a new .375 H&H Mag M70 Classic Safari that I bought was built so crooked, the barrel wouldn't line up with the receiver.  You couldn't get the reticle far enough over to one side to get the crosshairs on the point of impact.  And Brownings just aren't made that well.

Sure, some people get tack-drivers out of the box, but it's a crapshoot with modern CinC manufacturing.

The other idea would be to look around some gunshops and look for a pre-64 Model 70.  Or, believe it or not, look for a Sears JC Higgens.  In the 50's and 60's Mauser made rifles, with the best of all time-Mauser action, for Sears.  Sears sold them as JC Higgins rifles.  They aren't the prettiest, but are usually very good shooters.  In fact, because new rifles aren't always the best, many people are searching for pre-64 Model 70's and JC Higgins actions to turn them into custom guns.

Ruger seems to be making some nice shooting rifles, although they can be a little shakey in the finish department.  But, you'll be paying 3 to 400 bones more than you would for the Vanguard.

And for 'yotes, you'll be wanting a .25 caliber that shoots flat.  Such as the .257 Wby, .25-06 or .264 Win Mag.

And for any of you who are interested in hunting, reloading or rifles in general, please check out this site: http://www.accuratereloading.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php

I can't recommend it enough.

[lasersailor184]

See, lazs says I was right.

[genozaur]

Originally posted by NUKE
I have a Russian SKS too. I like it a lot and it seems pretty accurate to me.

Like Steve said, it's a very inexpensive gun.

SKS can be very accurate. I hit 27 points (3 rounds at 50 meters = little over 50 yards without any scope, just regular sights) when serving in the Soviet army in 1980. And I know that the price is very reasonable. The only thing that can be considered as a drawback is the recoil which is a litttle harder than you may expect. And I also don't know if they have now folding butt for it.

And if you really want to impress people, consider made in Russia VEPR (Kalashnikov mechanism from RPK adapted for the accurate hunting rifle). It has several modifications with different barrel length, calibre of rounds, clip capasity. And you can get it in the folding variant. The price range (a month ago when I checked it on the Internet) was $600-$650 for the basic model without the scope. I think this is the best buy on the market right now.

[LePaul]

http://www.barrettrifles.com/

[flakbait]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Imagine with a .223 .  Once you kill them, you have to go out there and clean them up.  .50's vaporize those critters.

Trouble is, a .50 rifle is 20+ pounds and you can't do any light hunting with it. Unless all you want is hamburger.

What Dune said is prolly the best advice. A .257 Wby Mag is more than enough to take any varmint, plus you can go after game as big as deer with it. Vanguards are known to be accurate out of the box, and run around $480 retail. Top it with a nice little scope and you've got a rifle fit for game anywhere between rock chucks and deer. The best part is Weatherby won't sell a Vanguard that doesn't group at least 1.5-inch at 100 yds. Most shoot MUCH tighter groups than that. Bushnell makes a few nice scopes that won't bust your wallet up and can take a pounding. For top-notch optics, with a price to match, go Leupold.


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Flakbait [Delta6]

[Masherbrum]

I have a SigSauer SHR-970 .30-06 with a Redfield 5 Star Scope.  1.5" groups of 3 at 100 yards.

Karaya

[FUNKED1]

SKS