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« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2004, 06:23:33 PM »
In the spirit of adding more gun pics, here's my .257 Wby Vanguard:



And, while .243's will kill deer, I'd consider it the minimum caliber.  Especially outside of 200yrds.  I'm in the Elmer Keith "Get a bigger gun" camp.  But that's my personal feeling.  My main deer gun is a .300 H&H Mag.

And this is my pride and joy:



It's a .338 Win Mag on a 1903-A3 action with a 25 inch Douglas barrel.  With factory Federal 225grn Trophy Bonded Bear Claws it will shoot almost 1/2 inch three shot groups at 100 yards.  And a bonus is that the drop of the Bear claws is less than an inch off of when using the Ballistic-Plex reticle on my Burris scope.  BTW, I would also recommend Burris scopes to anyone.  They are comparable to Leapold for less money.
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« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2004, 06:28:39 PM »
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Shubie,

You have a pic of that sporterized Turk. I have one thats a sewer pipe bore.  I have been thinking of rebarreling and looking for a few ideas.


RHIN0


Gimme a day, I'll take one and post it, rhino.



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« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2004, 10:40:30 PM »
Nice pics, wha sort of hunting do you do?

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« Reply #48 on: December 11, 2004, 12:26:29 AM »
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rude is also right that the lever gun in say 357 is worth owning... cowboy action shooting has made these real cheap and easy to get and increased quality... you will have a handgun caliber rifle... tons of fun for plinking and more than enough for a coyote out to 100 yards.  

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You can usually pick up a used Rossi made Winchester 92 fairly cheap. They are chambered in either .357 mag or .44 mag. I own the Rossi SRS 92 Trapper style carbine with a 16" barrel chambered in .357/38 Special. It shoots 4 to 5 inch groups at 100 yards using the iron sights. Bought mine about 16 years ago. The 92 has a much faster action than the 94, and weighs a bit less too (16" barrel SRS weighs about 5.2 pounds unloaded). For short range work (50 to 100 yards), a Marlin Camp 9 or 45 semi-auto carbine is another viable choice. Chambered in either 9mm Parabellum or .45 Auto, it's light, points quickly and surprisingly accurate. One thing I like about these is that you can get magazines anywhere. The Camp 9 originally came with a 12 round mag interchangable with several S&W 9mm autos, while the Camp 45 uses standard 1911 pistol mags. Naturally, any high capacity mags that fit those pistols will fit the rifles too. They employ a Garand type safety and the bolt locks open on an empty mag. Teardown is simple, but you need 3 hands to reassemble it as the mag interconnector is a bear to keep aligned. Accuracy is such that at 50 yards, you can make on large ragged hole in a target.

You can also buy Mosin-Nagant rifles for a song. I prefer the model 1938 or '44 carbine, although it kicks hard shooting the full power 7.62mm cartridge. Accuracy is more than adequate. You can purchase glass-filled nylon Monte-Carlo style replacement stocks for these for about $60.

Go to Tapco for good prices and reliable delivery. They also carry scope mounts, scopes, manuals and spare parts.

You can still find surplus Mausers and Enfields cheap enough. Either would be perfectly adequate for medium game. Just be sure to have older Mausers checked out by a qualified gunsmith prior to shooting new production ammo. I've seen stress cracks in the chamber area of older Spanish and Turkish Mausers after shooting full power ammo through them. Steel ages. I stopped shooting my WWI vintage Enfields years ago after I saw a lug recess on one fail at the local range. Thankfully, the remaining recess held or the shooter would have been eating the bolt. Enfields use locking lugs at the rear of the receiver. In this instance, the right side recess failed and that entire portion of the upper-right receiver fractured. If you wish to shoot ancient Enfields, I suggest hand loading reduced pressure loads to avoid damaging the rifle or yourself.

For additional firepower, you can pick up CETME rifles for under $400. These are built on U.S. made receivers, using Spanish made barrels and internals. This is a semi-auto version of a widely used battle rifle. They shoot the standard 7.62mm x 51mm NATO round (.308 Win). Magazines come in 20 and 5 round capacities. U.S. made receivers will accept H&K G3 mags as well. Diopter sights. Delayed roller locking action. Nice rifles, if a bit heavy. The H&K G3 was developed from the CETME. Again, Tapco has scope rails and adapters for the CETME as for the FN-FAL type (another good choice for an inexpensive, military type semi-auto).

Another very inexpensive rifle for varmint control is the Marlin MN25, bolt action, chambered in .22 Win. magnum rimfire. Don't underestimate the .22 Winchester Magnum, it's very capable. For coyotes, or smaller pests I'd suggest using hollow point rounds because the FMC rounds will often over-penetrate on smaller game. Rest assured that the .22 mag WILL kill a coyote. Back in the middle 1980s, a hiker killed an angry Black Bear with one shot from a .22 magnum. I also suggest 50 grain bullets. You lose some velocity (from a 24" barrel, expect 1,950 fps for 40 grain, 1,800 fps for 50 grain), but has about 3 times the muzzle energy of the typical .22 Long Rifle High Velocity round. Be advised that recoil is a bit stout for the typical rimfire scopes (although mild compared to centerfire rounds). Buy a high quality scope designed for centerfire recoil and shock. Accuracy is about the same for the .22 LR, but I noticed a greater percentage of "flyers". Try different brands of ammo. CCI ammo produced more flyers than Winchester ammo did.

My regards,

Widewing
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My regards,

Widewing

YGBSM. Retired Member of Aces High Trainer Corps, Past President of the DFC, retired from flying as Tredlite.

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« Reply #49 on: December 11, 2004, 09:29:41 AM »
A friend put about 30,000 rounds through one of those camp carbines... 9mm ammo is cheap.

The enfields are cheap but the ammo is getting real expensive..  the naggant is cheap and the ammo is cheap... all the commie stuff is a good deal for plinking.


so creamo.... I will have to revise my post.   I can not in good concience recomend that you get any less than a bare minimum of 9 different rifles the first year... you can fill out some of the gaping holes in your collection next year but that should get you by for the first year.

you shouldn't need more than $1500 worth of ammo and cleaning stuff and accessories to feed the first lot.  

or... you could move to england.

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« Reply #50 on: December 11, 2004, 09:44:01 AM »
^ I agree.  This is the safest way to handle the problem.  And, not having enough guns, one for every conceivable situation, is a problem.  Huge problem.

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« Reply #51 on: December 11, 2004, 10:52:54 AM »
I will admit that my personal collection of firearms is sadly lacking... many of my firearms would have to be pressed into use where a much more specialized firearm that I don't or can't own would work much better.  

I will just have to limp along on what I have.   those who know me know it is an apt analodgy.
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« Reply #52 on: December 11, 2004, 11:23:37 AM »
The Savage combo is probably the best solution for cost vs everything.  I'm partial to Model 700's (Remington) myself, but you'll pay $200 more for the riffle than you would for a Savage combo.

We used to hunt coyotes in Idaho with 22-250s (someone else mentioned this caliber also).  It was a very flat, very accurate round.  The only thing to remember is that with coyotes, you'll never see one at 100 yards when you have a riffle in your hands.  Think about 200-400 yard hunting when it comes to them.  Also think about accuracy since only about 40% of what you see looking at a coyote is actually hittable target (no body... lotsa hair).

When you do get a riffle and kill your first coyote, please spit on it once for me.  I can't stand the little critters.

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« Reply #53 on: December 11, 2004, 11:35:51 AM »
Well, it's certainly true that you can't have enough.

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« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2004, 12:02:41 PM »
BTW... for .223 plinking, I recomend going with the AR-15 over the Mini-14.  An AR-15 has perhaps the most accessories for modification to whatever type of riffle you're looking for (accuracy vs quick squeezing trigger fun).  It's about $550 to get your foot in the door, but modifications are reasonably priced after that.  It's almost a curse.

I put together an AR-15 for $509 about 3 years ago (maybe 4).  I built it myself.  Then I got to looking at new upper receivers for scope mounting, different barrels for target shooting and different grips.  All of which can take as little as 1 minute to swap out (a barrel attached to an upper receiver) by simply removing two pins.  Of course, when you have a complete upper receiver, you start rationalizing purchase of a new lower receiver assembly so that you can just have 2 complete ARs... and it's a viscious domino effect.  It's tough to own just one AR.

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« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2004, 01:31:14 PM »
Rhino,

here are some pics of the Turkish Mauser.

Specs:

barrel cut to 21 in. and recrowned
Choate stock
Timney trigger (set at 2 pounds)
Ashley Outdoors Scout Mount (I think they changed their name to AO systems)
Swift 1.25 x 4 pistol scope
7.5 pounds
8 x 57 caliber

I can usually put them in about 1-1/2 inches at 100 yards, if I turn the scope up to 4x and close one eye.  For snapshots, I keep the scope turned down to 1.25x and both eyes open.  As I said, it is deadly for close in shots.




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« Reply #56 on: December 11, 2004, 02:31:54 PM »
Shrink the pictures dude.  That's murder on the download even with DSL.

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« Reply #57 on: December 11, 2004, 04:37:44 PM »
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Shrink the pictures dude.  That's murder on the download even with DSL.


Then break open that piggy bank and get cable, dude.  It took me about 5 sec to both up-and-download the pics.

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« Reply #58 on: December 11, 2004, 04:39:28 PM »
It works better if you stick your fingers in your ears and say "lalalalala".  The pics are huge... reducing them would be polite.  Being obstinate is not.

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« Reply #59 on: December 11, 2004, 04:47:55 PM »
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Then break open that piggy bank and get cable, dude.  It took me about 5 sec to both up-and-download the pics.


I have cable.

There is no reason to post pics that large....unless you are trying to display some sort of extreme detail, which these pics don't have anyway.

Nice gun though.