Author Topic: Lazs2 - Rifle Advise (Read 2007 times)

Staga · « **Reply #30 on:** December 10, 2004, 07:01:20 AM »

JAAK 5. One in link has some wooden parts but proto I was looking was full steel/aluminium. Can be manufactured in any cal you like with or without silencer.
If you really want people rub themself against your gun this is the real nut magnet. Mr Black would get an eternal woodie if he could get his hands in that.

Same gunsmith manufacturers "Black Cats", quite similar rifle but in cal 9mm para.
Weight 2,8kg, lenght less than 1 meter, price including 3-9x40 scope with silencer 580€ and without 470€. Not bad price for custom made rifles...

TheflyingElk · « **Reply #31 on:** December 10, 2004, 08:31:55 AM »

I have a heavy barreled New England firearms single shot .223, Rifle itself is only around $200-250, add scope Burris Micro dot 2-8 and for around 400 total I have a very capable varmit rifle, Sage rats and rock chucks get smacked out to 400 yards and I have taking song dogs out to 450, with a solid rest. remanufactured ammo is easy to come by for .223 and with the single shot you get more plicking time as well, as stated before unless you can spend 800 plus the automatics like Bushmaster and the AR-types all you do is waste alot of ammo. If your going to spend money put it into the optics it will payoff in the long run.

Lizard3 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 10, 2004, 08:45:55 AM »

What about that new .17 stuff out there? Didn't/isn't ruger out with a 10/22 lookalike in .17HMR? To me that sounded like an xlent plinking rifle...plus the bullets are just soooo cute!(my wife says)

lazs2 · « **Reply #33 on:** December 10, 2004, 10:12:30 AM »

creamo... it is really a probhlem orf too much choice rather than not enough.

price, looks, accuracy, caliber, weather conditions, range, local restrictions, recoil, ammo availability and selection and materials all play a part in your choice.

How many things you want the rifle to do... the old days of one rifle like a 30-30 lever or an old ought six bolt being the only rifle for all things... well that can still be the case but depending on what you want to do... you can get lightr years ahead of either of them or do it cheaper or whatever.

Any firearm mentioned in this thread will do everything you asked. That is the point. Some will do about ten times more than you need some will be marginal but... depending on your needs... will work for you all your life.

So many variables... synthtetic stocks and stainless steel have defeated weather problems but... if weather and cleaning are not a problem for you then why bother? things like that..

In the old days for instance you allways knew that no matter where you were you could get 30-30 or ought six ammo at a smallest towns hardware or general store... not much of a consideration today but you sure don't want to run out of rigby ammo say out in the boonies.

lazs

Creamo · « **Reply #34 on:** December 10, 2004, 10:22:40 AM »

Thanks for the info, lotsa good stuff to search.

To add just a bit of why I want a rifle is of course to hunt coyotes, but alot of it is because when I go out to the mountains with friends I really get no thrill out of shooting the 357's and other handguns because it's pretty hard to hit anything. Fun, but just not my thing. And I have owned alot of .22's, so that is out of the question, I want a 'real' rifle. I have only been able to use shotgun slugs for deer since I was very young because of county laws, so I always wanted a high power rifle.

Cost is a factor, and like any hobby, I'm not going to appreciate a good gun till I get into it, so I just want to get started. This rules out sending something in for $700 upgrade to change a 4" group to 1", although I see the point for verteran shooters.

Anyway, I'm pry now looking at going to wally world, getting a combo Savage; now just to pick a caliber. And like Lazs said, "why not get all 3?" I like that attitude. I can start with the combo, and get a bolt action in a old mauser or something in larger caliber for the boom and fun of it for very little extra investment, both for pry way less than a tricked out mini 14 or the AR's. I'll have fun with those, and then worry about a mini 14 which sounds like a ton of fun, and something i would like, but could certainly do without for the time being.

Again, thanks for the info.

Steve · « **Reply #35 on:** December 10, 2004, 10:42:57 AM »

Does this mean this thread is done? I learned so much, enjoyed it immensely.

*whimper*

lazs2 · « **Reply #36 on:** December 10, 2004, 10:49:31 AM »

creamo... if you are out plinking with your buddies and they are shooting handguns then the mini 14 will be a blast. Not so much over accurate or loud that the pistol guys won't still have fun and not so expensive to shoot that you won't be able to afford to shoot a few hundred rounds with em. pistol and revolver guys tend to shoot a lot more ammo in plinking sessions than rifle guys.

with the surpluss mauser for 150 bucks or so you can get 1000 rounds of old military hardball 8mm for maybe 100 bucks... you won't feel like shooting much more than 50 or so at a session anyhow and the fellas will all get a big kick out of taking turns shooting the thing... lotsa bang for the buck.

The davage won't be much fun plinking with the fellas but whatever caliber you get.... it will be a coyote killer supreme. Maybe if you were an old jaded varmit hunter who turned his nose up at anything less than 1/4" moa stuff it wouldn't do but for us mortals and fun guys it is more than enough gun that, In my opinion... you will never grow out of.

That is not to say that you will never lust for some other rifle.... just because..

lazs

Toad · « **Reply #37 on:** December 10, 2004, 10:58:21 AM »

Creamo,

One of my Dealer Catalogs, Jerry's Sport Center, shows the Savage Accu-Trigger Package at $355 Dealer + shipping.

So, let that be your guide. If you can get anywhere close to that, jump on it. You might have to get a local dealer to order if for you. Let me know, I'll give you the catalog price so you can negotiate with him.

This package has a Savage Accu-Trigger Rifle, a mounted and boresighted 3X9 40mm scope, black synthetic stock with the action pillar bedded and a Doskosport hard case. The rumor is this trigger is a major improvement on the Savages; crisp with no creep.

For what you want to do, I'd get a short action round that is relatively light on recoil but is adequate to take deer if you ever get the urge.

For that reason, I'd seriously look at .243 Win. Inherently, it's a pretty accurate round and recoil is modest. I've shot a bunch of these that were an inch or under right out of the box from various manufacturers. I've seen deer and antelope taken cleanly out past 300 yards with them too. Ammo is easy to find and reasonable. I've also used them on prairie dogs and coyotes with no problem.

My other thought would be 7mm-08 Rem. It's a bit heavier and I'd pick this if I was going to do some hunting for big deer.

Good luck and have fun.

Rude · « **Reply #38 on:** December 10, 2004, 11:06:03 AM »

Creamo....Lookie!!!!

Buy One of These!!!

lazs2 · « **Reply #39 on:** December 10, 2004, 11:11:03 AM »

rude and toad are/is correct... the savage is a hell of a deal and everyone who shoots 243's swears by the caliber. Sorta like a modern 7x57.

rude is also right that the lever gun in say 357 is worth owning... cowboy action shooting has made these real cheap and easy to get and increased quality... you will have a handgun caliber rifle... tons of fun for plinking and more than enough for a coyote out to 100 yards.

Ok... we are up to 5 rifles.

lazs

eagl · « **Reply #40 on:** December 10, 2004, 02:53:13 PM »

If you get a mini-14, consider one of those little red dot sights, either with no magnification or a wide field 1.5-3x magnification. The gun points very easily so just having a little red dot to put on the target would make it almost as quick as a pistol to acquire, aim, and fire, and much more accurate outside 20 meters.

Mini-14s have a rep for breaking scope crosshairs, so the more durable a scope you get the better. You just don't need 9x mag on a mini-14 because not only is the gun not that accurate, the abuse will break a cheap or even moderately priced 3x-9x adjustable scope. I had a moderately priced ($200) fixed 4x scope on my mini and one of the crosshairs broke after 3 years. If I replace it, I might just go for an open or 1.5x red dot.

rshubert · « **Reply #41 on:** December 10, 2004, 03:12:33 PM »

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Originally posted by eagl
If you get a mini-14, consider one of those little red dot sights, either with no magnification or a wide field 1.5-3x magnification. The gun points very easily so just having a little red dot to put on the target would make it almost as quick as a pistol to acquire, aim, and fire, and much more accurate outside 20 meters.

Mini-14s have a rep for breaking scope crosshairs, so the more durable a scope you get the better. You just don't need 9x mag on a mini-14 because not only is the gun not that accurate, the abuse will break a cheap or even moderately priced 3x-9x adjustable scope. I had a moderately priced ($200) fixed 4x scope on my mini and one of the crosshairs broke after 3 years. If I replace it, I might just go for an open or 1.5x red dot.

Or consider a scout scope mount. Here's a link:

http://www.ultimak.com/

I have a turkish mauser (8mm), sporterized, with a scout mount on it, mounting a 1.5-4x pistol scope. It is absolutely deadly for snap shots in the woods--you can leave both eyes open, and see the whole deer, rather than trying to identify the aiming point from a scope full of deerskin.

I put it together after missing two deer that ran past my stand at 15 yards.

rshubert · « **Reply #42 on:** December 10, 2004, 03:17:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
For that reason, I'd seriously look at .243 Win. Inherently, it's a pretty accurate round and recoil is modest. I've shot a bunch of these that were an inch or under right out of the box from various manufacturers. I've seen deer and antelope taken cleanly out past 300 yards with them too. Ammo is easy to find and reasonable. I've also used them on prairie dogs and coyotes with no problem.

Good luck and have fun.

Sigh. Back when I was stationed out in Idaho, I hunted antelope with a .243 Remington 700 BDL. I loved that rifle. Flat shooting, had a lot of knockdown, very accurate, and versatile. Light bullets were ok for varmints, heavy bullets were good for deer-sized game or antelope.

Sold it to a guy when I was transferred to San Diego, couldn't have hunting rifles on the sub. Freeking nazis.

~~shubie~~

kevykev56 · « **Reply #43 on:** December 10, 2004, 03:55:10 PM »

Shubie,

You have a pic of that sporterized Turk. I have one thats a sewer pipe bore. I have been thinking of rebarreling and looking for a few ideas.

RHIN0

Suave · « **Reply #44 on:** December 10, 2004, 05:52:17 PM »

.17 mach iv

I just like the idea of a tiny 25gr 17 caliber bullet with a muzzle velocity of 3900 fps.

Kills with energy and does minimal damage to the pelt.