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Offline MOSQ

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« Reply #105 on: January 05, 2005, 06:04:52 PM »
SoA2,

I flew the Tiffy a heck of a lot in December, 147 Kills / 19 Deaths in Tiffy, most of which were JABO missions. My Tiffy is fast as heck. It easily runs down F4Us, A5s and A8s. In fact the only non-perk planes that are faster at sea level are the D-9 and La-7. Your faster than even a G-10 or P-51 at sea level.

It does have a few quirks:

The engine rotates in the opposite direction from all other planes except the Tempest.  This is probably why you feel weird stall behavior.

The engine loses power from 6.5k to 11K. The worst non wep speed at mid- altitude is at 11K. Conversely, it uses the least fuel at 9.9K. That is where you want to cruise. It's best low alt speed is 6.5K, so if you cruise at 9.9K it's an easy drop down to 6.5 and full speed.

The Tiffy has a high sink rate under 180 mph. It almost feels like you're in an elevator. And it's struggling to keep the nose up at under 165. Worse, the flaps don't deploy until 160, so if you are slow enough for flaps, you're dead.

There is only one way to describe the roll rate, abysmal. But I come from flying the Mossie, which is even worse, so the Tiffy is like a great performance leap to me.

It has incedible drag. Lose your engine to a radiator ping and you have a glide rate like a brick thrown off the top of a barn.

However you can use that drag for offensive purposes too.

The key to the Tiffy is keep her fast. The only time you should be under 250 is at the top of a zoom climb.

As to why yours is slow, I don't know. Are you burning up all your wep on the climb out?

Look for me in the MA, we'll wing a mission and see what the problem is. Or we can go to the TA and work on it.
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« Reply #106 on: January 05, 2005, 07:56:45 PM »
Thanks!  Part of the problem seemed at first to be a bug, after losing drop tanks the plane seemed to fly like they were still there.  But now that I try to repeat it with film on, I cant do so.  Maybe it was my imagination.  The zone from 6.5k to 11k you describe could be part of my problem, as I usually level out at 10k, and I try to stay above 5k whenever possible to give myself room to dive out if things get hairy.  It may also be that I'm used to flying planes that accelerate a little faster.  The strange stall behavior I notice is when I get way too slow for my own good with the nose pointed up.  It feels like the plane is mired in gooey mud and doesnt want to respond to control input.  Rudder, stick, its like everything happens in slow motion.  I know the Typhoon is a big plane, and I also know it has a powerful engine.  Maybe its "hanging from the prop" like I've seen F4U's do, but lacks the finer controls of the Hog so has a harder time bringing the nose down out of a stall?  Maybe this too is all my imaination, or the result of some ........... well never mind.  :)

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« Reply #107 on: January 05, 2005, 08:15:28 PM »
The Tempest should begin to 'run out of steam' over 20,000ft.

If you are at 33,000ft(10km) it is well past its best altitude.

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« Reply #108 on: January 05, 2005, 08:29:12 PM »
MOSQ,

The Spitfire Mk XIV and the Yaks also have their props rotating in the same direction as the Tiffie and Tempest.

I'll also disagree with you on the roll rate.  The Tiffie is one of the few fighters the Mossie will out roll.  Not by much, but still faster.
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