Author Topic: Patch 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Read 1981 times)

Mitsu · « **Reply #15 on:** December 10, 2004, 04:53:34 PM »

got 325mph without WEP.

Yep, it's a bit faster, I think the ki-84's top speed of sea level is 324mph in old patch.

It's much faster than old one if it uses WEP.

TBolt A-10 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 10, 2004, 04:55:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Mitsu
got 325mph without WEP.

Yep, it's a bit faster, I think the ki-84's top speed of sea level is 324mph in old patch.

It's much faster than old one if it uses WEP.

Awesome news! Thank you, Mitsu.

Mitsu · « **Reply #17 on:** December 10, 2004, 05:01:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak

> How much climb/acceleration did it lose?

It lost about 500fpm with military power. (in 25% fuel settting.)
It still hold 4000fpm when using WEP.

>How long does the overboost last? What is the climb rate on overboost and what is max speed down lower?

about 1 minute 10 seconds. Top speed is 343mph at sea level w/ +400mgHg, 392mph at 19000ft w/ +350mmHg.

Furious · « **Reply #18 on:** December 10, 2004, 05:12:49 PM »

I am not sure these are pertinant or whether or not they have been posted before, but I just found them and thought they might be interesting.

Kweassa · « **Reply #19 on:** December 10, 2004, 05:15:47 PM »

Well that certainly is good news.

392mph max at alt, 343mph max at deck. The figures look about spot on from what I'd expect from a typical Ki-84.

Was expecting something around 350 at deck for an optimistic view of things, but 343 isn't too bad either.

However, it could be a double-edged sword in some occasions. Especially at high alts. Whereas the old Ki84 we had could retain 392mph max speed and optimum climb rate indefinately, now the Ki84 is hampered with limited overboost issues.

Here's an OTD speed list made by whels from version 1.10. AH2 has seen some minor changes, but I think it'd still offer a nifty measurement on just how much more juice the Ki84 got now:

OTD speeds with WEP
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TEMPEST 386
LA-7 380
F4U-4 378
190D-9 375
TYPHOON 370
P-51D 367
109G-10 366
TA-152 361
SPIT-14 358
F4U-1 358
P-51B 358
F4U-1D 357
F4U-1C 356
LA-5 356
YAK9-U 355
190A-8 349
190F-8 349
P-38L 344
P-47D-11 344
Ki-84-Ia 343 (new and improved)
P-47D-25 340
P-47D-30 340
109G-2 340
190A-5 339
MOSQ 338
YAK9-T 336
109G-6 336
109F-4 332
C205 331
F6F-5 330
Ki-84-Ia 324 (old and inferior)
N1K2 324
SPIT IX 319
110-G2 316
C202 315
KI-61 313
SEAFIRE 302
SPIT V 302
110-4B 300
FM2 297
P40E 297
109E-4 292
SPIT I 291
A6M5 288
F4F 275 no wep
A6M2 275 NO WEP
P40B 275
HURR IIC 273
HURR IID 265
HURR I 261

Not too bad. Not too bad at all, in fact.

The Ki-84-Ia is now ranked at 20th place in top speed(prop planes). Among the 19 faster planes, four of them are perked which you almost never see in the arena, and three of them are F4U-1 variants, with virtually identical speeds. Two of them are 190As or models essentially based on the Anton(A-8 and F-8) and two are P-51s.

So, if you remove the perked ones and count variants with minor performance differences as one, the Ki-84-Ia's the 12th fastest plane on deck, three planes ranked above it are under 10mph range of difference.

The Yak-9U, La-5FN, F4U-1, Bf109G-10, P-51s, Typhoon, Fw190D-9 and the La-7 will outrun it with ease. Exclude the Hog, the Yak, and the La-5FN out on grounds of rare usage in the MA and basically under typical MA condtions only about the Fw190D-9, Typhoon, P-51 and the La-7, Bf109G-10 will outrun it - the five fastest non-perked planes in the list. Anything other than those five planes, would not be in the 'untouchable' speed difference from the Ki-84-Ia.

Wotan · « **Reply #20 on:** December 10, 2004, 05:18:58 PM »

There has to be good info on the Ki-84 with a HA-45-21 engine.

After all in FB/AEP/PF the Ki-84-1a is modelled with a tip speed of 685kmh at 5900m.

Imaged linked due to size

PF Ki-84 vs. P51D

Chart taken from the newest version of IL2 compare.

Furious,

Yes that stuff has been posted a few times.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #21 on:** December 10, 2004, 05:24:57 PM »

The loss of climbrate makes it a far less appealing fighter.

Karnak · « **Reply #22 on:** December 10, 2004, 05:35:22 PM »

Bloody hell.

70 seconds of WEP is in no way worth losing that much accleration and climb rate.

If it lost 500fpm then it's climb rate at full fuel will be about 3,200fpm.

That is pretty dang crappy. I was expecting more like 100 or 200fpm lower.

70 seconds of WEP isn't long enough to be usefull. It isn't even long enough to test what the max speed is. I'd bet it is more like 340 or 341 than the 343 you guys are reporting. It's old speed on the deck was 323mph, not 324mph like Kweassa's post says.

Is it possible to get a fighter that isn't American or Russian and isn't perked that doesn't suck?

Kweassa · « **Reply #23 on:** December 10, 2004, 05:38:23 PM »

70 seconds???

I was expecting something like at least three minutes... or even two. 70 seconds seem to be pushing it..!

Karnak · « **Reply #24 on:** December 10, 2004, 05:50:40 PM »

The numbers I see most often for the Ki-84's climb rate are 3,600fpm and 3,750fpm. It used to do about that in AH when it had 100% fuel.

I wonder what data says it was that much lower?

I can't believe that they'd report it's climb rate based on 70 seconds of take off power.

What I expected was for the MIL climb rate to be reduced to 3,600fpm with full fuel. I didn't expect any overboost to be added, but with only 70 seconds of overboost it might as well not have been for combat purposes.

Urchin · « **Reply #25 on:** December 10, 2004, 06:00:11 PM »

I never really got more than about 3500 fpm with full tanks... kind of makes me wonder how you guys climb when I keep hearing talk of 4k+ fpm and the climb meter being pegged out.

Engine · « **Reply #26 on:** December 10, 2004, 06:03:47 PM »

WEP duration is extremely short. While the engine does cool off quickly, I don't think it's fair to rank it among other fighters based on WEP numbers.

Karnak · « **Reply #27 on:** December 10, 2004, 06:16:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
I never really got more than about 3500 fpm with full tanks... kind of makes me wonder how you guys climb when I keep hearing talk of 4k+ fpm and the climb meter being pegged out.

I only ever got 4,000fpm (and it was pretty much 4,000fpm on the dot, not 4,000+fpm) with 25% fuel. It's climb was consistantly overstated on the board.

Now it is still slow and climbs worse. It used to beat La-7s by going into the verticle. I wonder if it can still do that? It also used to be able to escape F4Us, P-51s and F6Fs by spiral climbing. I wonder if it can still do that. I doubt it with a drop of 500fpm in climb rate.

Mitsu · « **Reply #28 on:** December 10, 2004, 06:25:11 PM »

The WEP in Ki-84 is pretty useful.

RedTop · « **Reply #29 on:** December 10, 2004, 06:39:47 PM »

Who cares....Just another plane faster than what I fly anyway. Just another runner IMO.