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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2004, 06:48:58 PM »
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Who cares....Just another plane faster than what I fly anyway. Just another runner IMO.:lol

Well you'd best watch it.  Your plane is getting more WEP that it should be right now. Also 324mph is less than 10mph faster than your Spit V.  That is hardly enough for it to run away from your Hispanos.
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« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2004, 06:56:24 PM »
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Well you'd best watch it.  Your plane is getting more WEP that it should be right now. Also 324mph is less than 10mph faster than your Spit V.  That is hardly enough for it to run away from your Hispanos.


LOL:lol

You havent seen me shoot:lol

Point taken tho Karnak:)
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« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2004, 07:35:48 PM »
So is this a fair summary: It performs worse than before most of the time but a little bit better for 70 seconds?

Yay /sarcasm
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« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2004, 08:20:47 PM »
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Chart taken from the newest version of IL2 compare.


Congrats to the newest version of IL2. P51D max rate of climb at 9000 feet = 4500 fpm :rofl
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« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2004, 08:28:26 PM »
OK, I take everything I said back.

The WEP on the Ki-84 is awesome.

True, it lost a bit of climb, about 250fpm or so, not 500fpm, but it's WEP is even better than it's MIL was before.

And as a bonus, while you may only have a minute or so of WEP, it cools off even faster than it heats up.  So if you simply don't use WEP constantly it will last a long time.
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« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2004, 08:49:17 PM »
SL mil power climb at 100% fuel was 3200 fpm according to a test I did.
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« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2004, 09:23:36 PM »
Haven't flown it yet, may give it a go tonight.  Only thing that really matters to me is if it kept that fantastic low speed manueverability.
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« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2004, 12:01:12 AM »
I tested it offline several times........WEP lasts about like Mitsu said, about 70 seconds, but it went from redlined to normal temps in 15-20 seconds, making repeated bursts of WEP possible.
Dang, I wish the Jug engine cooled off that fast.......heck, I wish just about ANY other plane's engine cooled that quickly.
BTW, I never got it to go above 389mph at any alt.
Did level flight top speed runs from 15-23K, in 1000 foot increments, i.e., 15K, then 16K, then 17K, etc.....
The boost guage seems wacky to me.  At one alt, I will have to review the films, it was pulling only about 150mm/Hg boost, then I hit WEP and it shot up to 400(!!).
Over 20K or so, no rise in boost with WEP on.
Watching the airspeed indicator, when you hit WEP, it acts like you engaged N2O or a RATO unit....lol!
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« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2004, 12:16:56 AM »
I tried to run away with ki-84. I hit the NOS (overboost mode):) and lala(7) stayed D-600 behind me, gaining little distance.:D heck i can even catch lalas now... with some ease :)
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« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2004, 01:08:54 AM »
Yeah, use WEP in the vert, works wonders.

Turn it off as you come down the rope.  It'll be cooled off before you get the kill :)
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« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2004, 12:16:20 PM »
great documentation, Furios.  

hey guys...what's this about a fixed, aft-firing gun on the Frank?  Just a rumor at the time, I suppose?  :lol
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« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2004, 02:58:58 PM »
Well I thought Pyro sets Max speed with WEP is 350mph @ S.L...
Anyway, 343mph is enough speed.

The Ki-84 is more terrible frank from now. :)
« Last Edit: December 11, 2004, 03:03:17 PM by Mitsu »
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« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2004, 09:44:27 AM »
tested at 25% fuel  0.001 burn rate  no wind
Ki-84-Ia  has 1 minute 30 to 31 seconds of wep, cool down time is 46 to 47 seconds back to normal operating temperatures.. It looks like everyone is using the True Air Speed or Ground Speed and not the Indicated Air speeds. To me this is misleading

here are some speeds I came up with

0K: 326 IAS  ( 20ft off deck ) w/WEP 343 IAS
5K: 319 IAS  w/WEP 336 IAS
10K: 312 IAS  w/WEP 316 IAS
15K: 288 IAS  w/WEP 297 IAS
20K: 279 IAS  w/WEP 283 IAS
25K: 251 IAS  WEP of no benefit
30K: 217 IAS  WEP of no benefit

default climb speed setting is : 163 IAS

WEP has no effect at 12.5K alt as well, speed is 302 IAS for both military & emergency

climbrate is almost nil once you hit above 36,000 ft,  no reason to go that high anyhow just was looking for the service ceiling
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« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2004, 10:58:13 PM »
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I only ever got 4,000fpm (and it was pretty much 4,000fpm on the dot, not 4,000+fpm) with 25% fuel.  It's climb was consistantly overstated on the board.

Now it is still slow and climbs worse.  It used to beat La-7s by going into the verticle.  I wonder if it can still do that?  It also used to be able to escape F4Us, P-51s and F6Fs by spiral climbing.  I wonder if it can still do that.  I doubt it with a drop of 500fpm in climb rate.


Ok guys, quit bellyaching and go fly the plane.

From a standing start on the runway to 5,000 feet, the La-7 beats it by 1 second. That's just 100 yards behind at climb speeds. The La-7 wins because the Ki-84 runs out of WEP at 4,600 feet. Otherwise, the Ki-84 would have won.


How about acceleration? Try it, you will stop complaining. At 200 feet, 200 mph steady, add full power and WEP. Record time to reach 300 mph. Again, the La-7 wins by just 1 second. I latched onto a P-51D and he broke off to run. He was slightly faster than me at the outset (I was at 220 mph). Nonetheless, before he could use his speed advantage, I closed to 200 yards and shot off his wing with my last MG rounds.


You have 90 seconds of WEP and 1/2 that time to cool down to normal. I believe Mitsu verified this.

I did not see a loss of climb rate, it averages as good or better than before.

This thing only got better...

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« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2004, 12:09:35 AM »
Widewing,

Did you notice my follow up post from after I got home and had a chance to test it?
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