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Offline DoctorYO

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« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2004, 03:29:19 PM »
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I think so, especially when you set up a pansie arse excuse like you did.


If the pansey excuse was calling your whitenoise tactics such as yawn... then A whine has been recorded..  if not kindly post in quote from the pansey excuse...  excuse to what.. elaborate.. what was said above was foreshadowing / preeumptive shutdown (i'd be upset too if someone  knew my SOP) not excuse.. get it right..

Trell review post #40 where i clearly indentified toad as putting words in my mouth and out of context and later proving such as incorrect..  the connection to voss was not a out but deductive reasoning on the irony of their past commaders lies and  farce compared with their current members lies and farce..  reiterated on the first post on page 2 and post #40  nothing more needs to be said unless you want to rebuttal... and youll lose  with your assumptions/attempted profiling right next to it... So IMO your comments are not a problem since your voice is rare and appreciated; the sledgehammer hasn't comeout on you for common courtesy purposes but that can change if you like..  your profiling was dead wrong that post #40 is clear as a bell..... if anything that was a routing blow to toads credibility (at least on this thread) not me maybe losing my debate......

Now my posture with toad is long handed as it should be..  Time and time again I post..  He cuts and pastes his context (in this particular thread the exact sentence after his context explains something which was gone over if he took the time to read the whole post)  I rebuttal him and clearly with proof show him his error..  

Having gone thru this gauntlet before im wise to the way of the 13th tas pitbulling when someone gives one of their members static / or says something they may find unpopular.... and hence predicted Bodhi's feeble response which as noted above he didn't like my deductive reasoning on their feeble tactics..

Note for someone who doesn't care read Bodhi's last one..  heh...  did i call it on the nose or what..  But then again as I said before they are predictable...



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« Reply #61 on: December 16, 2004, 04:54:52 PM »
Rip Rip Rip.
How do you figure thats a fear tactic? The military is stretched very thin. If any more major problems arise I just don't see how the US would be able to act without it.
 Has nothing to do with the election.
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« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2004, 05:06:11 PM »
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So IMO your comments are not a problem since your voice is rare and appreciated; the sledgehammer hasn't comeout on you for common courtesy purposes but that can change if you like..  
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« Reply #63 on: December 16, 2004, 05:10:15 PM »
Yes But Iraq was a War they were hoping to be able to Win quickly and then just Stick the feather in there hat,  I dont think any one was expecting for it to be as drawn out as it has become.  If we started a pissing contect with NK  I dont think they would have backed down,  And They are a few rungs higher then Iraq in strength even with out nukes.  

It ended up just being able to show off,  Beating up the weaker target..  The same reason We did not start with Iran Either.

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« Reply #64 on: December 16, 2004, 05:12:38 PM »
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LOL  Trying to stay on topic now:rofl

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« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2004, 07:37:45 PM »
I want to just reiterate that Japan and DPRK are not on the brink of war as the topic title trolls.

A few clarifications on some of the previous posts:

-- The U.S. doesn't provide any aid to the DPRK. Japan has provided all the food and fuel aid agreed to in the multi-lateral talks since Japan is much 'closer' to the issue - as in the bullseye.

-- Japan had been attempting to move toward normalizing a relationship with the DPRK in the hope that diplomatic relations will continue dialogue and break the isolation. Slowly breaking the isolation is considered more viable since enhanced economic conditions through trade do more to thaw frosty relations than politicians posturing and pandering to their domestic constituency.

-- The hard line 'axis of evil' statement did nothing but provide an excuse for the DPRK hardliners to move forward with weaponizing their uranium stock. Look, when the world's most militarily powerful nation equates a nation to a nation subsequently invaded (pre-emptively to disarm WMD that did not exist), how can they not feel threatened or next on the list? Particularly when the stated reasons for a pre-emptive strike have proved to be groundless, yet conveniently forgotten or changed.

I'm not making excuses for the DPRK, but you have to look at an opponent's mindset before you can understand potential paths to mutual existance.

-- Just to clarify, the U.S. military presence in Japan is not an economic benefit for Japan. The U.S. cannot afford to have a Pacific presence and the Japan bases are more for U.S. strategic purposes than the defense of Japan. The prevailing opinion is that the U.S. is only interested in protecting its bases, not living up to any security agreements with Japan.

The presence is a cost, not an economic plus to Japan since Japanese taxpayers bear the costs of all the bases including construction, cost of living subsidies, fuel subsidies, off-base housing subsidies etc., and the personnel don't significantly contribute to the local economies - they buy everything on the bases through the military PX, BX system.

-- Japan has about 400 attack aircraft, 300 fighter aircraft, 18 submarines, at least 60 destroyers, 900 armoured vehicles, 900 artillery pieces, substantial ground to air missile systems, plus all the support units for these.

-- And now for the big question... are you ready?

Are you sure Japan has no nuclear capability just because it says so? Having car parts lying in close formation does not make it a car until it is assembled. You ask any Japanese on the street if Japan has nuclear weapons and the most frequent answer is: "I hope so."

How would you explain that Japan has the world's largest unaccounted-for plutonium stockpile? Japan is a very capable satellite launching nation. There are many unspoken arrangements and conditions between Japan and the U.S. I don't have a definitive answer, but the longer I am here, the more I lean toward an opinion.

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« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2004, 07:43:06 PM »
What's the Japanese "order of battle" if they go to war against N Koreans? I heard that NKs have EVERYTHING from MiGs/SUs, big 'uns, submarine force, and 2 million "robotic" soldiers:D

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« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2004, 07:51:56 PM »
Probably wait for the U.S. to fry them after Seoul is destroyed. Then build auto, truck, tire, camera and electronic parts factories on the cheap land.... :eek:

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« Reply #68 on: December 16, 2004, 08:52:35 PM »
Nk has dirrty tricks!

NK can ngage in "total war". They'll use "soviet style" tactics with a "twist". They even train hackers! lol

http://www.rense.com/general37/nkorr.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/dprk/2001/korea.pdf

take time to read these :)
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« Reply #69 on: December 17, 2004, 11:49:42 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/16/northkorea.china.asylum/index.html

Happens all the time....   What's up the the "Dear Leaders" peeps?





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« Reply #70 on: December 17, 2004, 12:13:38 PM »
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-- The U.S. doesn't provide any aid to the DPRK.


Are you sure?

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« Reply #71 on: December 17, 2004, 12:58:11 PM »
I feel we are long overdue for a world war.  Let NK start it... they'd be doing the world a favor.*


*  I don't think they ever will, they are all bluster.
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