Author Topic: Got the TrackIR Vector Expansion.... (Read 5034 times)

BlauK · « **Reply #60 on:** January 31, 2005, 08:57:12 AM »

HTC,

are there any chances that you might consider this option? yes/no/maybe?

I just dont like the office chair in airplanes, and I could sell away my TrackIR equipment... if I knew.

So, should I hang on to it in good faith and wait... or should I give up?

jodgi · « **Reply #61 on:** January 31, 2005, 09:17:47 AM »

I agree with BlauK.

I too find it very odd to check 5 and 7 o'clock fast. I'd like the AH head position to act exactly like the TIR software head does.

I have reverted back to the non-vector TIR mode because the current AH way feels wrong to me.

I understand that maybe most people like the current AH way, but would, like BlauK, like an option to make the AH head behave like the TIR software head.

Pleeeeeease!

Stone · « **Reply #62 on:** January 31, 2005, 01:21:08 PM »

I deleted all the saved head possitions, that helped alot.

It does not feel that akward now.

eilif · « **Reply #63 on:** January 31, 2005, 01:43:12 PM »

BlauK cool it bud you are sounding like a broken record, HTC has nothing to do with how the track ir V works , go to the natrual point forums and talk with the team over there, they are extremely easy to work with, you dont need htc to hold your hand.

jodgi · « **Reply #64 on:** January 31, 2005, 02:44:57 PM »

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Originally posted by eilif
BlauK cool it bud you are sounding like a broken record, HTC has nothing to do with how the track ir V works , go to the natrual point forums and talk with the team over there, they are extremely easy to work with, you dont need htc to hold your hand.

We just ask that the AH head behaves like the TIR software head, that is why are scratching on HTC's door. If we should take this to Naturalpoint they'd probably just say that their software works like we ask.

BlauK · « **Reply #65 on:** January 31, 2005, 04:10:20 PM »

eilif,
since you are interested in the issue, go back to previous page and read the posts more carefully

It is not a Naturalpoint issue. I would not contact e.g. Logitech about 'how esc-key works in AcesHigh'.

It is clearly about utilizing the already existing arrow key functions (moving sideways and up-down in relation to viewing direction) and zoom keys as XYZ movements inside the cockpit. They have been created originally for different reason (modifying viewpoints before saving them) and they just don't work naturally as pilot's body movements. Instead these keys end up subtituting the pilot's chair with a head-controlled rotating office chair.

Current system has just happened to be the easiest and fastest way to establish some of TrackIR Vector's functionality to AH. Unfortunately the main point of the whole hardware (immersion, being there with your whole body) has suffered with the quickest solution.

moose · « **Reply #66 on:** January 31, 2005, 05:13:55 PM »

i duno.. i had a hell of a time until i changed my profile to 'flight' and now its a lot easier for me to handle.

my one problem is being able to shoot targets that ive gotten in front of me.. i bob my head around and lose sight of them too much

eilif · « **Reply #67 on:** January 31, 2005, 05:41:16 PM »

I just played microsoft flight sim 2004, i understand what blauk is getting at now. i really like the set up they have there, i think thats what tir was intended for, and it works great!

The trick is to move your torso first then do the paning, im sure ill get it down better with time, this is a much more emersive way to have it set up, and less frusturating.

how htc has it set up you have to do your paning first then do your torso movement, i find this doesnt work so well for me, its more intuative for the new user or previouse track ir user maybe, but is limited in how far you can go with it. Once your to the xyz position you desire you cant pan withought losing your position.

Both set ups are valid, both should be suported. and im sure they will be soon. Htc can only juggle so many things at once tho.

ALF · « **Reply #68 on:** January 31, 2005, 07:31:23 PM »

I still fail to understand how someone can claim its INTUATIVE to turn your head left....see a nice 6 view...and think the intuative thing is to lean left to make the view shift right?!?!?!

again....look here and please explain how you think leaning left making the view lean right makes sense.

Octavius · « **Reply #69 on:** January 31, 2005, 07:34:44 PM »

I see it both ways ALF. They make sense either way. It would be nice to have either option for whichever preference one may have. No sense knocking setup over the other... we don't have universal intuition here.

eilif · « **Reply #70 on:** January 31, 2005, 08:03:27 PM »

alf you would have already shifted your body in the forward view area before you paned your view past 3 oclock. What you have to do is seporate your body movements from what your head does. you dont move your head forward, you move your torso forward, you dont move your head right you move your torso right, htc has it so its relative to your ears, the default is to have it relative to your sholders. choose which ever suits you best.

BlauK · « **Reply #71 on:** February 01, 2005, 01:52:33 AM »

Thanks for support and understanding guys

I think we can now all agree that there are people who prefer their XYZ movements relative to ears and others who prefer them relative to shoulders.

AH already supports the "ears way" (=relative to view direction).
We are just asking additional support for the "shoulders way" (=relative to airplane).

Edbert1 · « **Reply #72 on:** February 01, 2005, 08:18:52 AM »

I think the next versions will require a TIR shirt or jacket with dots on the shoulders/collar/chest in addition to the three on the hat to get all the motions in there...LOL.

I understand Baluk's position and argument, I kind of like it the way it is personally but agree that having the choice would be best for everyone.

Moose, your comment is the biggest single complaint I have about using the TIR in combat. I often find myself disabling it when I am about to fire. I also do that when in a multi-con situation, one or two cons are trackable (for me) but when there;s more than that I get too disoriented with the TIR and go back to the JS hats.

Edbert1 · « **Reply #73 on:** February 01, 2005, 08:21:24 AM »

Oh, by the way, for anyone reading this thread that is interested in purchasing a TIR. I got a coupon from Naturalpoint today that offers $30 off, they said I could give it to a friend. So if you are interested email me.

eilif · « **Reply #74 on:** February 01, 2005, 11:11:46 AM »

which version do you have edbert?