A matter of perspective.....

[victor]

OucH  Dedalos
thats gonna leave a mark on the fabric of thier souls but well said ,should flame well to:D


Vic

[dedalos]

Originally posted by victor
OucH  Dedalos
thats gonna leave a mark on the fabric of thier souls but well said ,should flame well to:D


Vic

lol, I have wood and gas.  I am waiting for someone with a light.  I can feel the heat already.

Where have you been? did you change your name? Haven't seen you in a while.

[Shane]

Originally posted by dedalos
lol, I have wood and gas.  

uuhhhhhh.... nooooo comment, except... some things just shouldn't be shared.

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by dedalos
 If you want respect, you have to give respect.  Don;t complain about some one that does not know what YOU did not teach him.

good point Dedalos,

the other night while flying around some base, I made a comment on channel 200, I was being entertained and found it hilarious but I stepped over the line when I made the comment. It was about 2 guys that would dive from say around a 2k+ alt advantage , dive down thru 2 or 3 lower aircraft ( enemy planes ), and dive to the deck having these lower enemy planes rolling in behind them, so now the bandit is lower alt and has 2 or 3 planes on his six, so he proceeds to run directly for the runway at our base. He trys to vulch extends at high speed revs, repeats the vulch run......

well my comment did not take to well, so I thinking I would private message them and politely offer to go work on some tactics with them..I did not want to offer over ch200 because I did not want to look like a big headed arse thinking I was better or anything and/or did not want to show any humiliation toward them.....

the response I got was Rude, hateful and anything else you can imagine, probably would have been different if I had never commented on ch200 to start with. You see alot of times on here where someone will say thanks bro, or hey bro or buddy or what not, well I used the word Bro in my message and that even got ridiculed.....so some are accepting when you offer help, some are to nieve to recognize someone offering to help......

I would much rather spend a few days helping someone that is going to avoid a fight when he is in the crows nest on a perch,  than sit back and watch them repeatedly do the same thing over and over 6 straight sorties/flights........

as for the training to kill toolsheds remark,  if you need some help on learning how to kill a toolshed Laz, we must first find you a game where toolsheds exist  joking

but if anyone ever needs help on anything from E-Management, SA practice, E-fighting, Turn Fighting, BnZing, bombing, tanking etc or to learn the ins&outs of a specific plane.......
we are here to help fire off an email to

trainers(at)hitechcreations(dot)com

I am not sure why there is no organized informal training sessions like some of the other sims have had or still have, but  the trainers in AH help when ever they are asked.......

[kj714]

So, to be clear to us non-AW'ers, what was the specifics of the AW code of conduct that is being discussed?

Anybody?

[Shane]

Originally posted by kj714
So, to be clear to us non-AW'ers, what was the specifics of the AW code of conduct that is being discussed?

Anybody?

You were probably an RR weenie - I doubt you'd understand.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Shane
uuhhhhhh.... nooooo comment, except... some things just shouldn't be shared.

   I just realized what I wrote.  I know you hate it so here you go

<> Shane

[kj714]

Originally posted by Shane
You were probably an RR weenie - I doubt you'd understand.

Serious question, you donut .

 Never played AW, never played any online game until I was introduced to AH a couple of years ago.

Here's you "vets" chance to enlighten a player, don't blow it after all these posts of crying around about it.

[detch01]

Originally posted by kj714
Here's you "vets" chance to enlighten a player, don't blow it after all these posts of crying around about it.

Not actually a vet, but it basically boils down to this:
Fight your own fight, strive to learn something every sortie and while smack-talk is fine and expected, there's no need to get rude or ugly with the people you're playing with. This is a game, it's supposed to be fun and if you aren't having fun you're in the wrong place.  

Cheers,
asw

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser


I am not sure why there is no organized informal training sessions like some of the other sims have had or still have, but  the trainers in AH help when ever they are asked.......

TC...

It is my understanding that there might be certain legal/liability issues with having an AW like training staff and that the potential downside out weights the upside.

[Charon]

So, to be clear to us non-AW'ers, what was the specifics of the AW code of conduct that is being discussed?

Anybody?

A willingness to actually engage other players in situations where you do not have overwhelming odds. A shift to winning the war from actually engaging other players in A2A combat. The movement from the war being a tool to facilitate A2A combat to being the safe, conforting goal of the game itself. Avoiding engagements not only when you are at a disadvantage, but when you do not have an overwhelming advantage in numbers, aircraft or energy. Being afraid to lose.

as TequilaChaser noted:

It was about 2 guys that would dive from say around a 2k+ alt advantage , dive down thru 2 or 3 lower aircraft ( enemy planes ), and dive to the deck having these lower enemy planes rolling in behind them, so now the bandit is lower alt and has 2 or 3 planes on his six, so he proceeds to run directly for the runway at our base. He trys to vulch extends at high speed revs, repeats the vulch run......

The pilot above will eventually run out of e and be killed by those in the air. However, he will have "equalized" his defeat by shooting some plane that still has its wheels on the runway. Get enough buddies together and you can take bases, get vulch kills, get the occasional 6v1 A2A kill and "win the war" but never push the envelope enough to substantially improve individually even if playing over the course of years. Timid flying.

This is not the environment I came of age in with AW. A2A was king and A2G was used to promote a quicker flight to the A2A action, with some change of pace diversion play as well. Scores were still important to some and winning the war as well, but you had to face much more direct resistance to accomplish both.

Charon

[kj714]

Originally posted by detch01
Not actually a vet, but it basically boils down to this:
Fight your own fight, strive to learn something every sortie and while smack-talk is fine and expected, there's no need to get rude or ugly with the people you're playing with.

Cheers,
asw

Hmmm, don't know if that's what these people have in mind.

1. fight your own fight  - kinda vague, does that mean don't drop in on a 1v1, don't horde, or fight the way you want to fight, which means milkrunners, strat guys are okay.

2. Don't get rude or ugly - sure enough, common sense would dictate this and it's really a line that's only crossed occasionally.  It's only happened to me personally once in the last month or so, and it had been quite a while before that. My sense of the MA, anyway.

One person's "smack talk" could be another's rudeness I suppose.  

You know, the salute has gotten quite popular, rude or smack?

3. This is a game, it's supposed to be fun and if you aren't having fun you're in the wrong place.  - lots of debate here. Game or Sim? Strat guys, milkrunners are enjoying themselves, thinking they are contributing to their side or maybe just to their own score, if that's what's important to them for whatever reason. So no foul?

I get the idea that the AW "code of conduct" was quite different from this by reading the good old days convo's above.

[guttboy]

Originally posted by detch01
Not actually a vet, but it basically boils down to this:
Fight your own fight, strive to learn something every sortie and while smack-talk is fine and expected, there's no need to get rude or ugly with the people you're playing with. This is a game, it's supposed to be fun and if you aren't having fun you're in the wrong place.  

Cheers,
asw

You summed it up nicely Detch01

[kj714]

Okay charon, so something like this would fit the bill:

1. Roughly equal engagements are the best test of your skills as a player and where the game is at it's best. This should be where you would hope to find yourself most of the time.

2. Vulching, spawn camping and milkrunning are "gamey" and should be avoided for the most part if you want to really participate in the game. These activities will not make you a better player.

3. Following The Horde is the easy way to play. Don't do it all the time.

4. While the war is winnable overall, the fight is what matters the most.

roughly correct?

[Charon]

That is accurate kj. That is the style of play I was generally accustomed to until the arrival of the Gamestorm era in AW, and until the first big Bishop Typhoon raids about two years ago in AH.

I would not be as harsh on vulching (though there were those who were) but would consider it something to do when there are no other planes in the air. That has been a big change here. Where you used to be able to take off in a Spit V or Zero for base defense (beacuse the attackers would engage the planes in the air first before the CAP), you now have to use a fast plane like the LA7 and hope to time it right to get the vulcher on his 3rd or 4th pass.

Still, i can remember some early Saturday and Sunday mornings in the AW DOS FR arena where ther might be 12 planes up total, and you would let the other guy get wheels up and a couple of thousand feet before you engaged.  Not a fully even fight, but even enough. He would do the same when your luck ran out and he found himself over your base. the last thing you wanted was for the other player to get fed up and take his ball and go home

The war winning would be fun in itself too, if more of it involved both an offense and an active defense. This was the case with AW (pre Gamestorm), largely because of the map layout. The capturable bases were a handful of neutral ones in the middle of the map. Everybody fought over the same limited selection of real estate, and it was common to have hectic 3-country fights for the same base. No real option to milkrun. If you wanted the base, you had to take it in the face of resistance and protect it. You had to be able to engage other planes in the air, clear a path and keep it clear. Now, it seems you milkrun until you have no choice, then hopefully your side is the first to capture that final base as each of the dominant countries gangbangs the smaller side in a race to the finish.

Charon