A matter of perspective.....

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I felt like I had finally arrived when I was invited to join the 479th FG back in '97 after tooling around for 4 years in the Lightning.  Too be invited into a squadron that was known for their prowess in the P-38 and to fly with guys like Pharo, Ballz, REEMO, Noamo and the rest of the Raiders was a true honor for me.


ack-ack

479th were a bunch of dweebs!

Ran into REEMO in Day of Defeat a while back.  Where are Ballz, Noamo etc?

Dan/Slack

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Guppy35
479th were a bunch of dweebs!

Ran into REEMO in Day of Defeat a while back.  Where are Ballz, Noamo etc?

Dan/Slack

Bah!  You're just jealous because we were able to land our planes without crashing

Ballz came back for a bit but real life intruded once more and he's busy doing that stuff.  Noamo, well, he's old and they only let him use the computer at the old folks home once in a blue moon.


ack-ack

[Redd]

Originally posted by Urchin
Well, in my opinion it goes a little deeper than just A2A, people don't want to take the time to actually become good at anything.  

Idiotic, but they "win".

tragically the main  thing they want to get good at is gaming the scoring system.

as much a I understand why HTC need one in place to attract and hold some players , I'm sure the scoring system itself is actually detrimental to the gameplay in many respects.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Redd
tragically the main  thing they want to get good at is gaming the scoring system.

as much a I understand why HTC need one in place to attract and hold some players , I'm sure the scoring system itself is actually detrimental to the gameplay in many respects.

Yup. Always been that way too.

In AH we have a scoring system which rewards landing a multi-kill mission. On its surface, this should be the ideal - if you can land multiple kills, you're doing alright. Right?

Well ... no. What it's fostered is an atmosphere of vultching and Horde Warrior - the safest route to reward. You can tell the size of the next wave to attack your base by the number of C.205 perk-slurpers which start to appear.

This isn't specifically a problem of AH ... the affect of the scoring system on gameplay has been a problem since the beginning.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Urchin
...

For example, we've got a Hurricane 2D.. it can pop the turrets on Panzers and Tigers in one hit.  Practically nobody uses it.  Why?  Its to "hard".

 ...

There's a second half to this example though - tank-busting is the one thing you can't practice at all offline.

There are no tank drones with which to figure out where to hit 'em - and way, way too often what "should work" in terms of scoring hits with those 40mm's online doesn't. I know you can do it - but there have been enough threads on this subject that its clear that you're in the minority of having found these weaknesses in armor plating.

[Kermit de frog]

Every noob should look at this thread.

I'm glad to see many pilots are still flyin with honor.

[Kweassa]

There's a second half to this example though - tank-busting is the one thing you can't practice at all offline.

There are no tank drones with which to figure out where to hit 'em - and way, way too often what "should work" in terms of scoring hits with those 40mm's online doesn't. I know you can do it - but there have been enough threads on this subject that its clear that you're in the minority of having found these weaknesses in armor plating.

 With no disrespect, IIRC DokG, most of those 'enough threads' ended up with you alone arguing that the IL2 or Hurri guns can't kill tanks, and the rest of the people disagreeing with you.

 I'm a mediocre pilot with 1.5 K/D with 2~4% hit rates and horrible scores, but I still can kill about 2~3 tanks with 30 rounds of dual 40mms with 15 shots. 3~4 attack passes will usually at least disable the tank.

[FT_Animal]

Sad, you have to have the concept to want to learn first. Almost any vet simmer is willing to teach when asked, sometimes offered and ignorant pride rejects.



Back into your corner!


~A

Originally posted by dedalos
I was going to make some remarks about vets who don't have respect for new guys, but then I saw this.

<<<>>> SlapShot

PS. you guys - unless you treat sick animals - are not really vets.  You just have been plaing a game for a long time.  Get off your high white horses and refer to your selfs as long time gamers.  If you want respect, you have to give respect.  Don;t complain about some one that does not know what YOU did not teach him.

Oh well, I made them anyway, lol

[mechanic]

what it comes down to for me are fights like this one....

http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/files/109VSJug-Vudak2.ahf


those who choose not engage when they might lose will never experience the thrill of a great....no...an outstanding air battle.

doesnt matter if its one on one, one on two or even one on ten, if you dont try to fight you will never enjoy the game for what its about.


if you enjoy the capture and the shed bashing, then so be it. but you wont ever get the feeling its possible to get, nor the sense of achievement.

i suppose others may have lower/different expectations of achievement tho...

bat

[Urchin]

Ok, I made a "tutorial film" for the Hurri-2d.  

I have some questions.  

A.  Is it still possible to take screenshots from a film?  It doesn't appear to be so, which kind of sucks.  I'd like to be able to take snapshots of what I see at various times during the "run" to give people an idea of how to set up a pass on a tank in a Hurri-2D.  

B.  Can someone host the film?  Looks like it is about 3.5 Mb, 18 minutes long.  I knock out the turrets on 2 Panzer IVs, 1 Tiger, and 1 T-34.  Granted, it is a controlled environment (DA), but I've had more successful sorties in the MA in it before.  Oil got hit from the ack from the city about 3/4 of the way through the film, it might make it tough to see the run on the T-34.

[lazs2]

most of the time I don't win against huge odds but... at least I made it happen instead of waiting for someone to make it happen for me.

lazs

[thrila]

I agree with urchin.  The hurri 2d is great for gv's, it's a shame people don't use it.   Urchin i don't think it's just about people not willing to learn how to use it, but also ignorance.  I cannot tell you the amount of times i have people on ch200 calling bs when i pop them with a hurri2d- the last one was "BS a hurri can't kill a panzer in 3 passes" , well he was lucky as i normally disable it in the first and kill it on the second.  The hurri2d will also pop tigers rather nicely too, tho prepare for the bombardment on ch200 should anyone do it....

I can post some films too if anyone would wish to see some hurri2d action.

[Urchin]

I'm only good at knocking out the turrets, I usually don't go for the kill-shot unless there isn't any other tanks around.  The turrets are easy to knock out, actually killing the tank is something else, at least for me.  

Best luck I've had killing the Panzer is shooting through the top just in front of the turret, that seems to kill them more often than not.  But like I said.. I'd rather disable 3 tanks than kill 1, if there are 3 tanks running around.

[Rolex]

I'll host it for you, Urchin.

Just email it to: Rolex@flightsims.info

and I'll post link here after I get it.

[Aubrey]

I am a complete newbie.  I have been trying to fly the right way. well as far as I know the "right" way. It is kind of hard to know what the right way is.  

I have been working under the assumption that if I am doing something wrong then... some one will call me on it.  I will then ask them what I did wrong and try todo better the next time.

I cannot be on when my squad is on at times, well no big deal there is always something to do. I am not afraid to fly alone. during those times, I have been trying to help defend some  bases and asked on the range chat \ channel what I am needed to doand I get  ......*crickets* Ask again ....*crickets*.   So I just start freelancing. No one says anything realy no one mentions me  it is like I do not exist.  

I must of course acknowledge the  2 Count them 2 people who have acknowledged me and gave me  instruction.  ABDC and  Wonder.   Thankyou both

I am malleable clay  shape me mold me.

It was a  vet's duty to mentor new players in my last game. I took seriously. If you want the new guys to play "right"  teach them actually  Please Teach me I would like to be taught.