UN official slams U.S. tsunami aid as 'stingy'...

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by cpxxx
All this absurd chest beating while 120,000+ corpses lie rotting and millions are on the verge of starvation.

Hey you just gave me an idea!

Lets send em BBQ's!

[Rolex]

It may be true about more private donations, but it also may not be true. I don't think we have the data. The data on ODA contribution certainly goes against what I thought the data would be.

One thing the data is available on, is that the EU barrel (a free market) is now roughly the same size as the U.S. market barrel.

[Crumpp]

http://www.techcentralstation.com/082102N.html

Read it.

This is who wrote it:

http://www.techcentralstation.com/bioadelmancarol.html

As she says, STFU with your guilt fest.

Our system for Foreign Aid follows our Cultural norms.  Americans have and always will be distrustful of Government.  Unlike the rest of the world, private donations are the primary means Americans help others in the world.  Our private donations are many times greater than most countries whose principal means is Government Aid.

Don't like it, immigrate to the US, become a citizen, and vote for a representative who will change it.  Even run for office yourself.

With this level of research I have no doubt your upcoming book will state the 190 broke the sound barrier in 1941.

Nice Cheap shot.  Not surprising, you almost always sink to this level when your losing.

Crumpp

[lazs2]

why would anyone figure that a huge GNP meant that every single citizen was rich?   socialist thinking at its utmost.   I am constantly told here that we live in poverty so far as standard of living and now I am told that I am rich enough to pay the same as the rich socialist countries even tho I have no health care supposedly or any safety net..

lazs

[Crumpp]

How can she, you, or anyone reach any conclusions without the required statistical data? Where did the 40% claim come from Crumpp?

The same way you can whine about US Aid being stingy without including the private donations the US gives.

In other words you are simply going to reverse the arguement you laid on the United States.  How does the position feel?

You do understand that sentence constitutes an insult to most other countries in the world. Seeing how you do not have ANY documentation to back up your claims I must conclude that you are full of chit.

Yes it certainly might.  Just as the original comment inflamed the US.  Hurts don't it?

Where did your 40% claim come from? Which part of your intestines?

From the sources listed.  It's not my claim BTW, it's the News.  We all know how accurate they are, I mean just look at all the great information that comes out about Iraq.

Let's check it out.  

The United States OFFICIALLY gives at least by your OWN figures, 23 percent of the Worlds foreign Aid.  With a private sector budget that is over double the official funds, it is not a big leap of logic to assume that is at least 20 percent of the worlds private funds given for foreign aid.  We are the largest free market in the world after all.  Add in unsolicited government funds and well that 40 percent seems conservative at best.

So I would say the reporter got this one right and 40 percent is a politically correct conservative figure.  It certainly sounds better than HALF.

Crumpp

[NUKE]

IIRC, the US also supplies about 60% of all world food aid.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by GScholz
And this hate is based on the information you get from the lying bastards you call a media. You know, perhaps President Bush is not such a dummy after all for not reading newspapers.

LOL From what I have seen and to hear all the eurofolk talk your media isnt all that more honest.

They all spin it to get you to see things the way they want you to see it

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Gixer
Before or after Bush started telling you that?



...-Gixer

Bush really hasnt told him anything
Actually you would be pretty hard pressed to find much in the way of anything Bush has said critical of the UN

[rabbidrabbit]

why do people feel entitled to other peoples resources?

[rabbidrabbit]

The intent is as if there is entitlement to what someone else has.  When someone else does me a favor I'm grateful but do not act as if I had it coming.  Thats all the difference to me.  I have given tens of thousands in items and cash to people in the past but never to someone who thought they deserved it.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by GScholz
I don't think they do, but I think they feel they have the right to comment on other peoples spending of resources ... or lack thereof.

The US is going to end up spending more in money, military resources, food and development for the world than any other country by far.

I'm insulted that you would have the nerve to call the US stingy.

[rabbidrabbit]

did you read the first post in this thread?  I'm not sure how else I could interpret his position.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by GScholz
I'm sorry I've insulted you.

I'm sure you are.

But I also know that you realise that you are wrong. You can't possibly be so ignorant as to call the US stingy, after all my country does for the world's needy.

You foucs on GDP and try to say that's the end of the story and call us stingy when you know that it is misleading to focus on just that area.

[Crumpp]

You see I actually have documentation that supports my argument;

I gave you the documentation.  You ripped it from this site:

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp#ForeignAidNumbersinChartsandGraphs

Nice piece of fiction though.

It gives 23% of the foreign aid given by the limited number of nations in the following list:

Yeah.  The 22 richest nations in the world.  

When the world's governments met at the Earth summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992, they adopted a programme for action under the auspices of the United Nations -- Agenda 21. Amongst other things, this included an Official Development Assistance (ODA) aid target of 0.7% of gross national product (GNP) for rich nations, roughly 22 members of the OECD (Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development), known as the Development Assistance Committee (DAC).

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp#GovernmentsCuttingBackonPromisedResponsibilities

It is noteworthy however that two substantially smaller nations such as Japan and France together make up a larger percentage than the USA.

Guess we can just switch things around any old way to support your argument.  

The argument was:

Is the United States Stingy?  

Obviously not.  We provide a disproportionate share of the world aid for ONE nation.  At least 40 percent.

As you can see the list is rather limited so the percentage will naturally be somewhat lower if all contributing nations are accounted for.

Yes, which explains why that figure seemed so conservative.  The United States probably provides closer to 50-60 percent of the aid in the 22 richest nations.  Add in the rest of the world and it probably drops to 40 percent.

Regardless.  The United States clearly provides the lions share of aid in the Western World.

Check this out while your riding that high horse....

Stop seeking to extend the WTO mandate to include new liberalising agreements on investment, competition, and government procurement.

http://www.oxfam.org.uk/what_we_do/issues/trade/bp22_eutrade.htm

Crumpp

[A_Clown]

How much does Asia help us out when we need it? I dont recall any reports of 25million dollars of asian funds coming in to rebuild the WTC, or for the kids who lost their parents.  Or to rebuild California after the big Quake.


How much does America send out/spend in all humanitarian actions combined, and still the number of hungry and homeless americans grows every year. Yet so many hate us. I guess it's easier to hate us because we make success look so damn easy.  It's not easy, we just try real hard.

Ignorance can be very expensive, so FYI, if your ever on a beach, and the WHOLE FREEKING OCEAN receeds out 100ft. or so, GET YER ARSE TO HIGH GROUND, ALL THAT WATER WILL BE BACK REAL SOON   ..............DUH!

I'm so damn logical........