The Forming of Something Great....

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by rshubert
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Personally, and I have posted it many times, I think the cooperative tactics and concentration of force make for a more enjoyable experience.  I HATE getting gang-raped by two or four enemy planes when I fly around alone.  I almost never go plane hunting by myself, since even the experten run for the ack or a friend when they are disadvantaged in a fight.  And I think fighting at 1000 feet alt is silly, unrealistic, and counterproductive.

Translation: you suck at the game so you need to hide in the crowd to avoid getting shot down on every single flight, and now you are rationalizing that behavior.

"Concentation of force" ... now that's funny.

[Redd]

Originally posted by rshubert
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Personally, and I have posted it many times, I think the cooperative tactics and concentration of force make for a more enjoyable experience.  I HATE getting gang-raped by two or four enemy planes when I fly around alone.  I almost never go plane hunting by myself, since even the experten run for the ack or a friend when they are disadvantaged in a fight.  And I think fighting at 1000 feet alt is silly, unrealistic, and counterproductive.

Silly , unrealistic , unproductive and  damn fun.

[lazs2]

gonzo said something I think is entirely correct in his translation...

oh well... stranger things have happened...  I agree with shubies political and social views.

lazs

[nopoop]

Originally posted by rshubert
I HATE getting gang-raped by two or four enemy planes when I fly around alone

That's what I enjoy. Go figure.

..tho 4 is REALLY pushing it.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Translation: you suck at the game so you need to hide in the crowd to avoid getting shot down on every single flight, and now you are rationalizing that behavior.

"Concentation of force" ... now that's funny.

Dokgonzo, you really need to get a grip.  Try deep breathing exercises, or maybe some xanax.  Or try this remedy:

1.  Close the garage doors with the car inside.
2.  Start the car.
3.  Stay near the back of the car, and wait to see if something happens.

Let me know what results you get.

[A_Clown]

Originally posted by rshubert
I'll keep it short and simple, Anton.

If the "concensus" were against hordes, there wouldn't BE ANY HORDES due to a lack of members.  Get it?  The threads are all started by a minority that thinks they have a monopoly on what constitutes successful gameplay.

Come on into the MA, and watch.  You will see what I mean.  The real concensus is that concentration of force (what the experten are calling hordes) is the way to capture territory.  Some of us play that game, and enjoy it.  Obviously, enough to create the dreaded "hordes" some people object to so strongly.

Personally, and I have posted it many times, I think the cooperative tactics and concentration of force make for a more enjoyable experience.  I HATE getting gang-raped by two or four enemy planes when I fly around alone.  I almost never go plane hunting by myself, since even the experten run for the ack or a friend when they are disadvantaged in a fight.  And I think fighting at 1000 feet alt is silly, unrealistic, and counterproductive.

This may come as a shock to you shubie, so brace yourself. Many people have been coming here (for years) to engage in simulated dogfights.  The bases were just somthing to fight ABOUT.

Unfortunately I have to say you are correct, the horde is the majority. It boggles my mind that they find capturing undefended bases entertaining. But night after night, month after month, the majority heads to the nearest undefended tool shed, and opens fire!

Maybe we need an arena designed to cater to the hordes. It could have a valley of neutral bases, and a outside perimeter of high bases for the masses to lift off from. Then the object would be to capture as many bases as possible. When the last neutral base is captured, the country with the most abso*****lutely useless bases, WINS!!!!!!!  

WHOOPPEEEEEE that sounds like some fun don't it???

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by rshubert
Dokgonzo, you really need to get a grip.  Try deep breathing exercises, or maybe some xanax.  Or try this remedy:

1.  Close the garage doors with the car inside.
2.  Start the car.
3.  Stay near the back of the car, and wait to see if something happens.

Let me know what results you get.

Poor shrubert ... the "please go kill yourself" gambit is just so 80's.

I'd suggest you go feed your shriveled winkie into an electric pencil sharpener, but your genitals are no doubt so calloused from near-constant self abuse that the hide on that nubbin could jam the mechanism.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Poor shrubert ... the "please go kill yourself" gambit is just so 80's.

I'd suggest you go feed your shriveled winkie into an electric pencil sharpener, but your genitals are no doubt so calloused from near-constant self abuse that the hide on that nubbin could jam the mechanism.

Wow.  You really are hung up on my genatalia, aren't you.  All those sex organ references!  It's sooo...ghey.  I guess the new term is "metrosexual".  When are you having your coming out party?  Or have you already?  Does the family know?

[Skydancer]

Why can t you guys live and let live as it were.

Some people enjoy team play and the sense of achievement in capturing territory. What would be the point in buffs if there was no element of this or strats in the game.

Instead of leaving these bases undefended why don't you up where a base is being attacked and defend the bloody thing. You can't complain that they are undefended and not defend them. I've often upped from bases under attack to furball with the raiders only to find no one else will. Maybe you experten should up at them too. Come on guys then you self motivated furballing guys can dogfight all you like while the team players try and outwit you to capture the base from under you. Now that is a good game. If you just want to dogfight go to the Duel arena and dogfight. The MA is about team play or should be.

I'll go get my coffee now think I'm having caffeine withdrawl. LOL

[rshubert]

Originally posted by Skydancer
Why can t you guys live and let live as it were.


I'll go get my coffee now think I'm having caffeine withdrawl. LOL

LOL That's probably where the pacific attitude is coming from.

[lazs2]

sky... I don't really think that the MA should be about team play much..  I think TOD should be abour team play.  

As for the point of bombers... I think the point of bombers is to give peoples girlfriends something to do in the game or people  who can't use a joystick.   Maybe people with really bad connects from some far corner of the earth.  

face it.. for a fun MA we need the fileds to all be about 3/4 of a sector apart and the fields should be easier to capture.   more cv's too.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[rshubert]

Originally posted by lazs2
sky... I don't really think that the MA should be about team play much..  I think TOD should be abour team play.  

As for the point of bombers... I think the point of bombers is to give peoples girlfriends something to do in the game or people  who can't use a joystick.   Maybe people with really bad connects from some far corner of the earth.  

face it.. for a fun MA we need the fileds to all be about 3/4 of a sector apart and the fields should be easier to capture.   more cv's too.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

LOL lazs, we already knew you thought that.

[lazs2]

well.... never hurts to remind folks...  Your views for instance are no mystery to most.

lazs

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by Skydancer
Why can t you guys live and let live as it were.

Some people enjoy team play and the sense of achievement in capturing territory. What would be the point in buffs if there was no element of this or strats in the game.

Instead of leaving these bases undefended why don't you up where a base is being attacked and defend the bloody thing. You can't complain that they are undefended and not defend them. I've often upped from bases under attack to furball with the raiders only to find no one else will. Maybe you experten should up at them too. Come on guys then you self motivated furballing guys can dogfight all you like while the team players try and outwit you to capture the base from under you. Now that is a good game. If you just want to dogfight go to the Duel arena and dogfight. The MA is about team play or should be.

Exactly. I will up from an attacked field or from a nearby field to defend. A lot of times its only a handfull of pilots trying to hold back the onslaught. I actually like flying base defense.  Sunday night a group of Bish and I defended A90 from an attack from 2 bases and a carrier and had a grand time of it. Great fights!

Most times though it's like Sky says, when to going gets tough the tough guys go home.

Seems like a lot of people want to be on the offensive and not play defense.

If you read the description of the game at the HiTech web site it is not a fighter sim it is an Air Combat sim. There is more to Air Compat than just dogfighting.

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by lazs2
sky... I don't really think that the MA should be about team play much..  I think TOD should be abour team play.  

As for the point of bombers... I think the point of bombers is to give peoples girlfriends something to do in the game or people  who can't use a joystick.   Maybe people with really bad connects from some far corner of the earth.  

Bit of a fascist attitude you got there.  Fact is no matter how much some people practice they are not going to be successful as a fighter pilot. Buffs, jabo and GV's allow these folks to enjoy the game as much as we do.

To me it would get rather boring if it were just fighters. The MA would be nothing but the dualing arena with set sides.  HT could setup an arena like this for you guys but my guess it would be as empty as all the other arenas. Not worth it. They have better things to do, like making the game better and working on TOD.

face it.. for a fun MA we need the fileds to all be about 3/4 of a sector apart and the fields should be easier to capture.   more cv's too.
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You have got to be kidding me. Can you say GAMEY! I'm not a huge realism guy but talk about losing it all. Personally I think the bases should be more difficult to take.  Also, I never see any attacks on factories or refineries. Why is that? You'd think they would have some affect on limiting the enemies ability to prosecute the war.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's [/B]

Talk about your oximoron!