What IS so bad about PETA?

[Holden McGroin]

By the way, if you want to represent plants and animals, work for the Sierra Club.  They do have a cadre of lawyers working on just that.

The northwest forests were virtually shut down because the spotted owl had a legal right to habitat.  People who owned forest land lost their rights to harvest their own property.  The rights had to go somewhere.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
So you tell me why if I neglect a car I do not get into trouble, I neglect a horse and I go to jail.

There is a difference, a legal difference, on how I neglect my property. Neither act of neglect affects anyone other than me, yet I pay a different price.

Because neglecting a horse is against the law. Chopping down a cactus is against the law. Burning down a building is against the law.

Against the law does not equate to rights. Do cactus have rights simply because it's illegal to kill them? What cactcus rights have been violated?

Animals do not have rights and cannot be represented in court. How hard is that for people to understand?

[Holden McGroin]

ever heard of the ESA?

[NUKE]

Face it....you have no point. Animals do not have legal rights. Why don't you list ONE right an animal has? It should be easy.

I'm waiting.

[vorticon]

Originally posted by NUKE


Against the law does not equate to rights. Do cactus have rights simply because it's illegal to kill them? What cactcus rights have been violated?

 

the right to exist, and not be completly destroyed by some ******* for no reason whatsoever...

"Animals do not have rights and cannot be represented in court. How hard is that for people to understand?"

LOL...tell that to the people who keep using the courts to try and stop a certain mine where i used to live, despite the previous 10 or so studies finding that it makes no real impact...

[vorticon]

if you burned down my house you would get in trouble because you have violated MY rights.

if i burned my house down and didnt try get insurance money i wouldent get in trouble with the law because i have violated nobodies rights.

if you torture an animal or kill an endangered species you get in trouble, but why should you? you certainly havent violated any other humans rights, and you wouldent be getting into trouble unless you violated somethings rightsl, so it must be the animals rights. does that put animals on the same pedistal as humans? no, do they deserve all the same rights as humans? no, but they DO HAVE SOME RIGHTS.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by NUKE
Face it....you have no point. Animals do not have legal rights. Why don't you list ONE right an animal has? It should be easy.

I'm waiting.

Apparently the Klamath and Lost river shortnose sucker have the right to exist. In a misguided order to protect that right,

On April 6, 2001, the Bureau of Reclamation announced that the Klamath Project would receive no water this year - the first time that water has been cut off. This action was in response to a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) biological opinion, which, under the Endangered Species Act, called for increased reservoir levels for the Shortnose and Lost River Sucker Fish.

The decision to take all water from farms, ranches and wildlife refuges was made despite several conflicting biological studies on the sucker fish, their population and the factors that affect them.

The impacts of this decision have been devastating to the communities in the Klamath River Basin. By cutting off the water supply, the FWS decision has desimated the Klamath Basin's economic base. It is estimated that the economic impact to the Klamath base will total $400 million including:

Bankruptcies and massive unemployment;
Perennial crops damaged beyond repair;
Decrease in property values; and
Loss of revenue for schools, fire departments, libraries, parks, churches and city and county governments.
There are also several environmental impacts:

Loss of Klamath Basin wildlife habitat;
Thousands of species denied water, food and shelter; and
185 miles of canal ecosystem and 516 miles of drainage canal ecosystem damaged.
Without the water that the Klamath Project provides, the community and the entire ecosystem of Klamath will wither.

Your sematic arguments are not worth a $400 million loss to the economy of the Klamath Basin.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Apparently the Klamath and Lost river shortnose sucker have the right to exist. In a misguided order to pretect that right,



Your sematic arguments are not worth a $400 million loss to the economy of the Klamath Basin.

Again, you are being ignorant. A law protecting an environment or an animal does not equate to rights.

It's against the law to kill a cactus where I live. Does that mean cacti have legal rights?

If you don't get it then I give up....you are too ignorant.

The only way you can convert me to your ignorant thinking would be if you could list ONE specific animal right.

I have asked and no one has been able to answer......even though it should be so easy.

[vorticon]

Originally posted by NUKE
Again, you are being ignorant. A law protecting an environment or an animal does not equate to rights.

It's against the law to kill a cactus where I live. Does that mean cacti have legal rights?

If you don't get it then I give up....you are too ignorant.

The only way you can convert me to your ignorant thinking would be if you could list ONE specific animal right.

I have asked and no one has been able to answer......even though it should be so easy.

you have completly ignored my posts which answer your question, and support it. you have been throwing away what we have provided to support our claim offhandedly, providing no evidence or support for your claim.

[Holden McGroin]

Again, you are being ignorant. A law protecting an environment or an animal does not equate to rights.

Right: a: something to which one has a just claim: as a : the power or privilege to which one is justly entitled b (1) : the interest that one has in a piece of property -- often used in plural

The rights of the agricultural community of the the Klamath Basin to prosper were absolved in 2001 in favor of the legal opinion that the Klamath and Lost River Shortnose Sucker's "power or privilege to which one is justly entitled" were predominant.

[wombatt]

Originally posted by NUKE


I have asked and no one has been able to answer......even though it should be so easy.

Look at it this way Nuke.
If you don't believe  animals have rights so be it.
It is something that I and many other people do believe in.
I believe that I have NO right to kill anything man or beast purely for the heck of it or for the titillation factor.

The taking of a life from one of Gods creatures must not be done lightly.
If you hunt and you kill a deer for consumption dont be full of pride instead be humbled by the fact that you have taken a life.
Enjoy the bounty with your family waste as little as possible for that would be a sin.

These are some of my beliefs and only mine.
You must form your own as we all do in life.
Thats the cool thing about life you are always changing evolving into a more complete person.

Good luck to you Nuke you will find your path and when you do enjoy your trip.

[NUKE]

I ask anyone to list one right any animal has. Any takers?

By the way, I love animals.


Here is a pic of my cat....she's old, I love her and would never harm her.

[wombatt]

Nice cat Nuke.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by wombatt
Nice cat Nuke.

Thank you! I take good care of her....she's a great little animal.

[wombatt]

I have one hairy like that.
She is a little kleptomaniac always stealing my stuff.
She has a stash in the master bedroom closet LOL.