What IS so bad about PETA?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Bugs are animals.  They certainly ain't vegetable or mineral...

The point is that how one treats an animal makes a differance.

White veal is raised to be anemic, while red veal has a better iron rich diet.  Both are young beef, but production of the white veal meat requires that the animal be treated in a manner that is not altogether altruistic.  

Red veal tastes just as good and the market force that requires the white coloration is more fashion and ignorance than reality.  

When we use fashion to decide how we treat resources we end up destroying the beaver, sea otter, etc.   I believe we should think more deeply than Paris Hilton in our choices.

Difference here is the calf used to make Veal is bred intentionally and specifically for that purpose. so what real difference does it make how they are treated? They are bred specifically to be killed and used for food. In the end dead is dead. Doesnt matter how they die the end result is the same. Dead

Havent seen to many beaver and otter farms
Beaver and otter are taken out of the wild.

[TweetyBird]

>>For example, their founders are on record being opposed to people having pets. They are against any medical research involving animals because they feel that a mouse’s life is worth the same as a person’s. And so on.

Of course you can’t get 800,000 people to donate money in support of those ideas. So they promote their organization as an animal welfare organization, knowing that the vast majority of donors read their advertisements but don’t take the time to find out what they’re really trying to do.
<<

Bingo.  I think most are for the humane treatment of animals.

ASPCA still fills the need as far as I can see. PETA has a bizarre notion of nature. Raw, unfettered nature is cruel. The only thiing attempting to show kindness to animals on this planet, is man.

[Furball]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
In the end dead is dead. Doesnt matter how they die the end result is the same. Dead

So... when you die, would you rather die quickly and without pain.  Or suffer excruciating pain and suffering without the ability to do anything about it?

End result is the same, right?

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Difference here is the calf used to make Veal is bred intentionally and specifically for that purpose. so what real difference does it make how they are treated?  

Beavers are taken from the wild.

You seem to advocate brutality and torture of domestic animals that you would not advocate for creatures in the wild.  I hope that my observation is mistaken.

Fighting roosters are 'bred intentionally and specifically for that purpose.'  

Because of the brutality, rooster fighting has been outlawed in 48 states.

Dog fighting is banned, even though dogs are bred for that purpose.

Apparently it does matter how we treat our fellow creatures.

[wombatt]

Originally posted by NUKE
Well said Laz.

My whole point: when groups like PETA or people like wombat say they support "animal rights",  they are talking out their arse.

I'd like to know of even one specific right an animal has. Maybe a list of rights would be helpful.

Sure, mutilating your pet dog is illegal, but that's a human law to control human behavior and has nothing to do with violating the dog's "rights".

So again Wombat, I'd like you to list just one  right an animal has.

You're comprehension needs work Nuke.
Read my post nowhere did I say that animals are over humans.
I am simply saying that we are the gardiens of the animals and being as we are the smarter of the species we have an obligation
to do the humane thing.
I am not saying that we should stop slaughtering cattle for consumption and clothing.

I am saying that the death process should be done as humane as possible.
And I am not saying that hunting should be outlawed.
I myself enjoy hunting it serves a much needed service in controlling the population of deer for example.

As far as animal rights go I will use this example.
Say you buy a dog.
That dog has a right to be feed cared for and sheltered and to able to live out his or her life without the threat of abuse.

I personally do not believe in hitting a dog ever.
I have tried this and all it does is make an angry and mean dog.

I have two dogs and they are treated just like if they where my children.
They get the finest vet care the best food and all the toys they can tear up.
And in return I am sure they would give there life to protect me or my wife.

That kind of loyalty is very rare in our species.

I can break it down Nuke.
I simply believe that there is no reason to ever be cruel to any mammal

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
You seem to advocate brutality and torture of domestic animals that you would not advocate for creatures in the wild.  I hope that my observation is mistaken.

Fighting roosters are 'bred intentionally and specifically for that purpose.'  

Because of the brutality, rooster fighting has been outlawed in 48 states.

Dog fighting is banned, even though dogs are bred for that purpose.

Apparently it does matter how we treat our fellow creatures.

No, Im not saying its ok to abuse your family pet.
That is what I consider to be a domestic animal.

But I AM saying the treament of animals that are being specifically bred to die is irrelevent to me. in short. I dont care.
they are being bred, to die. be it for food or fur or literally the skin off their backs.
They are a crop. nothing more ,nothing less

[Holden McGroin]

okay, see ya at the kok fights.

[wombatt]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK

But I AM saying the treament of animals that are being specifically bred to die is irrelevent to me. in short. I dont care.
they are being bred, to die. be it for food or fur or literally the skin off their backs.
They are a crop. nothing more ,nothing less

And who decides what is "bred to die?"
You do know that in some countries they eat dog!
And in other countrys cows are sacred.
So who is it that decides what is or is not  a crop animal as you call it?

I will answer one of my own questions if I may LOL.
I would guess it all comes down to what culture you are from.
For example If you're from Korea ol "rover" might just be dinner.
Invite a Hindu out for a hamburger and you might get a strange look.

I guess I might have some American Indian in me or something
but I feel some sort of reverence to all of God's creatures wether they are sitting on my couch with me or on my dinner plate I take neither for granted.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
okay, see ya at the kok fights.

Cool!:aok

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by wombatt
And who decides what is "bred to die?"
You do know that in some countries they eat dog!
And in other countrys cows are sacred.
So who is it that decides what is or is not  a crop animal as you call it?

I will answer one of my own questions if I may LOL.
I would guess it all comes down to what culture you are from.
For example If you're from Korea ol "rover" might just be dinner.
Invite a Hindu out for a hamburger and you might get a strange look.

 

BINGO!
We have a winner
Give that man a cigar!

[lazs2]

For once tweetie is making sense..  ASPCA is all we need.  We don't even need that if you are not offended by scumbags torturing animals.

lazs

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
[B
ASPCA still fills the need as far as I can see. PETA has a bizarre notion of nature. Raw, unfettered nature is cruel. The only thiing attempting to show kindness to animals on this planet, is man. [/B]

Exactly

[JB88]

my dog broke his leg in half last week.  my best bud of nine years.  he never complained, just looked at me and said "fix it".   he had to wait 2 days for surgery but never complained ... he still managed to tripod around to go to the bathroom...all the while his leg was hanging broken.  (though we splinted it as best we could)

hes been far more loyal, compassionate and understanding than any person that ive ever known.  he is brave.  unconniving.  he is honest.  but best of all he is not prone to some feign sense of intellectual superiority based on an irredeemable ignorant swamp philosophy.

i call him my friend and my equal and i would personally remove the idiot box from the shoulders of anyone who ever layed a finger on him or insulted him in my presence.  if he didnt do you first.

my dogs name is pablo.

and he is better than you.

[wombatt]

Originally posted by JB88
my dog broke his leg in half last week.  my best bud of nine years.  he never complained, just looked at me and said "fix it".   he had to wait 2 days for surgery but never complained ... he still managed to tripod around to go to the bathroom...all the while his leg was hanging broken.  (though we splinted it as best we could)

hes been far more loyal, compassionate and understanding than any person that ive ever known.  he is brave.  unconniving.  he is honest.  but best of all he is not prone to some feign sense of intellectual superiority based on an irredeemable ignorant swamp philosophy.

i call him my friend and my equal and i would personally remove the idiot box from the shoulders of anyone who ever layed a finger on him or insulted him in my presence.  if he didnt do you first.

my dogs name is pablo.



and he is better than you.

/\ What he said.

One of our dog's blew out her ACL the TPL surgery cost us 2k but she is worth it.

[DREDIOCK]

Re: you know who you are

    quote:Originally posted by JB88
    my dog broke his leg in half last week. my best bud of nine years. he never complained, just looked at me and said "fix it". he had to wait 2 days for surgery but never complained ... he still managed to tripod around to go to the bathroom...all the while his leg was hanging broken. (though we splinted it as best we could)

    hes been far more loyal, compassionate and understanding than any person that ive ever known. he is brave. unconniving. he is honest. but best of all he is not prone to some feign sense of intellectual superiority based on an irredeemable ignorant swamp philosophy.

    i call him my friend and my equal and i would personally remove the idiot box from the shoulders of anyone who ever layed a finger on him or insulted him in my presence. if he didnt do you first.

    my dogs name is pablo.



    and he is better than you.

Originally posted by wombatt
/\ What he said.

One of our dog's blew out her ACL the TPL surgery cost us 2k but she is worth it.

Family pets are one thing.
Animals bred for foor are entirely different.

I have a great dog.
Actually I've had several great dogs.
Also have 3 cats 2 turtles several tropical fish.
At one point we had a duck an iguana an african gray parrot.
TRhey were and are pets.
Pets are a wonderful thing to have and I wouldnt harm any of them.

But I also dont have any intention on keeping them to eat either.

I love my dog. Thought Im not particularly a cat person they can be pretty cool too.
'And they are better then any of ya:cool: