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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2005, 04:48:07 AM »
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Every time I wash my '98 trans-am I complain and gripe about all the damn scoops all over the front of the car, but... every single one of them leads to either something hot that needs cooling (brakes) or something sucking air (air filter).  The bumper air scoops that feed the front brakes are nice on track days, and the functional (from the factory) cold air intake is proven to add a couple of HP on the track plus it's just cool that GM made the scoops functional without looking stupid.


whats funny is Grun is correct.  Not one of these "intakes" actually intake any air they are purely cosmetic.

However, a freind of mine wants to sell me his old 85mm cold air intake and throtle body dirt cheap.  Again I'm not sure I want my wife having MORE HP.  BUT, it will aid in fuel efficiency right?

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« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2005, 07:21:24 AM »
"I'm sure it would please you to know that is a plastic nonfuncional air intake closed off by fake plastic solid grill-like moldings. "

Oh of course, because we all know how much I love plastic.  


"BUT, it will aid in fuel efficiency right?"


The fuel efficiency you get out of this car will depend almost entirely on the driver.   If your wife ever complains about bad gas mileage, you know she's driving it way too hard.  Driven lightly, the Mustang's mileage will be well in the 20's with ease.  Drive it hard and it'll drink gas like mad.


My wife used to get about 17-19 MPG out of her Lincoln Continental.  I would get 22-24 MPG in the exact same car.   The driver makes a ton of difference.



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« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2005, 08:15:33 AM »
A cold air intake could improve fuel efficiency a little bit, but keeping a clean air filter will help just as much.  The cold air intake will help more with drivability as the car will have fewer little "flat spots" where acceleration seems to sag just a touch, and the engine will be more responsive and have more power when it's hot.

Just going to a K&N air filter on my car gave a noticeable seat of the pants improvement in how the engine responds to throttle movement, and getting rid of the air silencers would supposedly make it rev even easier, but that's because GM used intake restrictions to help detune my engine from the power produced by the same engine when it's in the vette.  I also noticed more intake noise which sounded like more air rushing in with less restriction.  A louder but slightly deeper whoosh, if that makes any sense.  I never did dyno my car but I swapped back and forth a couple of times with the filter and I could tell the difference in how the engine responded.

So yea I'd personally say a cold air intake is a good thing, but keeping the filter clean or using a free breathing type of filter can be just as important.  Just don't spend too much on the cold air intake kit because you probably won't get it back in fuel mileage.  Your engine already tunes itself based on air temperature and volume, so it'll just tune itself to account for the lower intake vacuum and cooler/denser air.  That probably means more power and responsiveness, not more fuel efficiency.
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« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2005, 08:23:35 AM »
The new 2005 Mustang GT apparently responds so well to a Steeda  cold air intake that it requires a reflashing of the processor. Total power increse is stated to be on the order of 20 rwhp and torque - all for only 300 bucks.  I'd really like to see if this is borne out.

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« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2005, 08:24:27 AM »
I have a K&N F.I.P.K. on my Camaro as well (its a 3.8) and the noise did get louder as well.  Tradeoff was more accelleration like you said.
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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2005, 08:26:45 AM »
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I have a K&N F.I.P.K. on my Camaro as well (its a 3.8) and the noise did get louder as well.  Tradeoff was more accelleration like you said.


Yep a K&N air filter is noticably louder than a stock paper filter in my 99 V6 Mustang.

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« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2005, 08:50:15 AM »
"and getting rid of the air silencers would supposedly make it rev even easier, but that's because GM used intake restrictions to help detune my engine from the power produced by the same engine when it's in the vette."

Sounds like you drive a '94+ B-body.  If so,  you drive an example of what is IMO the best 4-door vehicle GM has ever produced.  Which particular model do you have?

Get rid of "home plate" and "first base".     Anyone who has ever seen the engine of a '94 to '96 B-body knows exactly what I mean.  These things have no effect on the engine in low RPM ranges but they really strangle it badly when you rev it up.   Removal of these devices will grant you noticably more power in the upper RPM range.  I don't even understand why GM put them on in the first place; it makes no sense at all.   Why anyone would WANT to make an LT1 quieter is beyond my ability to comprehend.  


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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2005, 09:27:58 AM »
I have a 1998 Firebird Trans Am with the 5.7L aluminum LS1 V8, the pinnacle of pushrod engine evolution (IMHO).  It's as smooth as or smoother than the overhead cam mustang engines, reliable as heck, puts out tons of power (and gets more each year) yet seems to be more fuel efficient than the 4.6L SOHC mustang V8.

It sucks air from the front center of the engine bay right behind a little cold air opening between the bumper and front edge of the hood.  The intake is restricted by sucking through a little slot however, and after the air filter there are 2 big bellows on both sides of the tube from the filter box to the throttle body.
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« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2005, 11:58:40 AM »
I had no idea GM also did the silencer thing with the F-body cars.   Thanks for the correction.

It's pretty senseless if you ask me, especially in a dedicated performance car.


Regarding fuel efficiency, I've noticed the same thing with the LT1 compared to the 4.6 in my wife's Grand Marquis--the GM engine is far more powerful and more fuel efficient at the same time.



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« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2005, 01:26:19 PM »
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A cold air intake could improve fuel efficiency a little bit, but keeping a clean air filter will help just as much.  The cold air intake will help more with drivability as the car will have fewer little "flat spots" where acceleration seems to sag just a touch, and the engine will be more responsive and have more power when it's hot.

Just going to a K&N air filter on my car gave a noticeable seat of the pants improvement in how the engine responds to throttle movement, and getting rid of the air silencers would supposedly make it rev even easier, but that's because GM used intake restrictions to help detune my engine from the power produced by the same engine when it's in the vette.  I also noticed more intake noise which sounded like more air rushing in with less restriction.  A louder but slightly deeper whoosh, if that makes any sense.  I never did dyno my car but I swapped back and forth a couple of times with the filter and I could tell the difference in how the engine responded.

So yea I'd personally say a cold air intake is a good thing, but keeping the filter clean or using a free breathing type of filter can be just as important.  Just don't spend too much on the cold air intake kit because you probably won't get it back in fuel mileage.  Your engine already tunes itself based on air temperature and volume, so it'll just tune itself to account for the lower intake vacuum and cooler/denser air.  That probably means more power and responsiveness, not more fuel efficiency.


Actually, a "dirty" K&N filter is more efficient than a freshly cleaned one.  

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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2005, 02:56:11 PM »
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It's more efficient in terms of trapping more particulates but doesn't flow more air when dirty.  But you're right, and I was mostly talking about conventional filters when talking about making sure you have a clean air filter.
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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2005, 07:48:39 PM »
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FYI the GT package adds weight which any gear head will tell you is counter productive. A pony with same equipment drivetrain and w/o the added weight if those ground affects and (non functional) spoiler, will outperform a GT.

Hard tops are lighter than soft tops because there is additional frame bracing on the soft top models.

This is what I post.... and THAT is what he buys...........LMAO

 are you related to my wife Gunslinger?  hehe

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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2005, 09:35:57 PM »
yo gun

i have had a drop top gt 01 for 1.5 yrs now..

bought it with 17k miles on it..i now have 50k....


..1) i had clucth replaced after 2..inspections..relube..of throw out bearing...it was making a squeak noise..not to loud..but i could hear it...IF i lightly touched the clucth peddel ..it woudl stop..

so..they did the ...bahh..never mind..i forgot..u got an auto..ok..


2)  INSPECT YOUR soft tOP..ALOT..If you ever see any of the seams..pulling apart...WARRANATY!!!...I just got a brand new top on mine..part of a seem was peeling...And  BAM..you either have a 1-3 year warranty on the soft tops....CHECK it!..they cost anywhere from 1.1k to 2k for a cloth top.

3)..My rear "passenger" i say that word lighlt..as i onll put skinny hos in the back..umm..not seat but bench..funny as hell its frikn small....


back to the window..the rubber moulding between the 2 windows.,,gets screwed up..It has a sheetmetal reinforcment in the rubber...the window will screw it up..and it can cacth on the window glass as it rolls down...stopping the windo..

well after  2 warranty replacemnts,,they now tell me the window is grooved and will destroy the rubber piece evently again...Cost of a new window..somthn liek $500 bucks...WHAT?..soi im writing letter to GM of dealership..


other then that,,..its been dammm fun..especially in the sweet cali weather

I will never drive with out a radar detector again

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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2005, 03:12:52 AM »
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This is what I post.... and THAT is what he buys...........LMAO

 are you related to my wife Gunslinger?  hehe


It's my wife's car not mine.  I could care less if she has more HP or not really.  My biggest concern was that she got the car she wanted so I didn't have to hear about it for the next 3-5 years.  SHE wanted a convertable.

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« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2005, 10:38:15 PM »
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This is what I post.... and THAT is what he buys...........LMAO

 are you related to my wife Gunslinger?  hehe


So his wife is supposed to get what you would get?  Wake up and smell what you are shovelling.

Gunslinger, it seems like you picked a good one from the bunch.  Just be conscious of some of tips we have given you.  You'll enjoy that thing.  No doubt in my mind.  

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