Author Topic: Flying at 20k (Read 4218 times)

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #75 on:** January 10, 2005, 07:37:34 AM »

Shubert, do you understand that furballing with squadmates and friends also results in comraderie? If you're furballing in a large mess with tons of friendlies and tons of enemies, few are knocking over granny to get the kill. If anything, most fight like mad to stay alive and to keep their friends alive.

In this context, teamwork and winging become essential elements of fun and success. If you enjoy jabo, that's great. But your rationale for enjoying it also applies to many other elements of Aces High that you refuse to try.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Pollock · « **Reply #76 on:** January 10, 2005, 08:41:27 AM »

My squad almost 90 percent of the time will get to 20k as our cruising alt and sometimes higher. This is because our planes of choice are the D11,25, and 40 P47s.

This is where the big radial flew the best.

rshubert · « **Reply #77 on:** January 10, 2005, 11:05:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Shubert, do you understand that furballing with squadmates and friends also results in comraderie? If you're furballing in a large mess with tons of friendlies and tons of enemies, few are knocking over granny to get the kill. If anything, most fight like mad to stay alive and to keep their friends alive.

In this context, teamwork and winging become essential elements of fun and success. If you enjoy jabo, that's great. But your rationale for enjoying it also applies to many other elements of Aces High that you refuse to try.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Oh, no lev--I furball sometimes. As I see it, it's the guys who insist that the ONLY way to play the game is furballing who are limiting themselves. And I have never seen this cooperation or team tactics of which you speak in a furball. It looks like one big circular conga line.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #78 on:** January 10, 2005, 12:14:50 PM »

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Originally posted by rshubert
And I have never seen this cooperation or team tactics of which you speak in a furball. It looks like one big circular conga line.

This is probably why you don't like furballs very much, and it explains why you do not appear to understand their appeal. The most successful furballers are those who keep their countrymen alive, not those who allow them to die so they can achieve a kill at any cost.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Kev367th · « **Reply #79 on:** January 10, 2005, 12:35:41 PM »

I think what annoys people is the 20K+ Ponys/Lalas/D9s etc whos only aim is to get to the base, dive on the runway, vulch, go over the top rinse and repeat.

Until either 1) They get tagged or 2) Manage to escape and land their vulched kills to cacophony of WTG's on C:200.

No problems with guys flying at 20k+ to get ord to target, or because thats were the plane operates best, it's the alt for vulching that is the highest form of dweebery.

There is a couple of HIGHLY 'ranked' pilots who specialise in the alt for vulch method.
Yes - You know who you are.

jamusta · « **Reply #80 on:** January 10, 2005, 01:01:55 PM »

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Vudak · « **Reply #81 on:** January 10, 2005, 01:20:20 PM »

I just don't see why someone would spend XX minutes to climb to 20k to deliver their ordinance and then die when they could just spend X minutes climbing to 10k, come in from a different approach, drop their ordinance, and then die.

Then again I don't see why I bother climbing to 15kish in a FW when I know I'm going to be on the deck in 2 minutes anyway. I must just like the extra time to enjoy the new A8 skins.

Crazy stuff.

bustr · « **Reply #82 on:** January 10, 2005, 01:38:54 PM »

Too bad we can't arrange a large air wing duel at 30K over the map. 20+ planes to a side. 51D, 47D40, D9 Dora, PJ, G10. Set a hard deck 18k. Up 2 sectors away climb to 30k, go level get speed then engage. And we find out if anyone knows how to big wing fight at 30k.

We can complain like this thread, or we can go find out what will happen at 30k and have a unique experience.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #83 on:** January 10, 2005, 03:00:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Vudak
I just don't see why someone would spend XX minutes to climb to 20k to deliver their ordinance and then die when they could just spend X minutes climbing to 10k, come in from a different approach, drop their ordinance, and then die.

Then again I don't see why I bother climbing to 15kish in a FW when I know I'm going to be on the deck in 2 minutes anyway. I must just like the extra time to enjoy the new A8 skins.

Crazy stuff.

I think I am to blame for this and people like me. Back in the fuel pork-a-holic days of AH1 I resolved to take matters into my own hands after having my 19 millionth great furball ruined. My favorite way of doing this was to hang somewhere in between my field and the enemy field at 15-18k and bushwack the heavy porking fighters inbound who were generally 3-8k below me before they could get close enough to even attempt to pork my field. A few guys doing this had great effect in that very few if any porkers got thru. The only resort they were left with that had any chance of success was then the low-alt dive bombing heavy buff formations...We all know how popular that was.

The reason having a little altitude on these bastards is better in this situation is because, due to your position and altitude they tend to ignore you, assuming you are a fellow pork-a-holic on the way to their field. If you come at them co-alt they will invariably nose down and dive for your field quite content to pork n' auger, causing you to have to blow altitude to race them to the deck before they can pork. Better to conserve your altitude for his buddies who are no doubt close behind him. With the bushwack method, they either notice you and dismiss youas no immediate threat, or notice you too late trying some have assed evasive usually still heavy as they are suprised you came down on them at all.

The net effect, was either they gave up the pork-a-holic routine in fighters and became low-alt buff formation dive bombing dweebs or came in faster and higher in an attempt to be successfull...In AH2, with dive bombing buffs a thing of the past for the most part, the wannabe pork-a-holics must resort to the tried and true method of spending 20 minutes getting to 25K to ensure they can successfully pork n' auger...

Zazen

mars01 · « **Reply #84 on:** January 10, 2005, 06:03:22 PM »

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All I am saying is this, Why waste your time climbing to 20k and you are in a 190 or P51 if you sre just going to dive away at the first sign of danger? If you are heavy and are trying to reach a target do what you have to to get there. But if you are in a light fighter then fight B&Z T&B whatever just dont dive away.

Funny how all the guys crying fowl have not answered this question, when in fact this was your point to begin with. I think the guys getting all bent out of shape are a little insecure about the way they fly.

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I have been flying that high for a couple of weeks and now have the trend down pack. I find that they are unable to fight at that alt. The thin air causes them to stall. The majority will just dive away. Those who are at 25k will simply fly past you. Those that are willing to engage start flopping around, but that is the minority.

If you are gonna fly that high learn to fight that high...

This thread was a harmless appeal/question about why people fly high and don't fight? All the guys talking about ord etc are getting their panties bunched up for nothing.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #85 on:** January 10, 2005, 06:17:06 PM »

Mars I'd have to say they run for one of 2 reasons. One they aren't capable and are infact hidding at altitude to avoid contacts. Two, they might be carrying ord and are trying to avoid the fight so they can get to a target. I'd have to think that if they are carrying ord and are trying to get to a target it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't capable of fighting they just aren't choosing to.

I've come across similiar situations with people in the MA. I don't blame them for nosing over if they have ord to equal my e state or try to get a better e state so they can get their bombs off. I'd do the same in that situation. If at anytime I knew running wasn't going to be an option I'd jettison my ord and fight. People who do this without ord and are purely hidding from a fight annoy me.

In order to learn you have to tangle with the enemy sometime whether or not you have an advantage. Though you may very well have the ability to run and survive. There will come a time when you won't be able to and duking it out will be your only option. If you've always avoided such situations though the probability of survival would be lower than if you had gotten in a scuffle like this from time to time. They are only hurting themselves in the long run.

mars01 · « **Reply #86 on:** January 10, 2005, 06:26:44 PM »

No doubt about it Cobra I agree with you on all counts.

I think this thread was directly addressed to the guys in your first category.

I don't think anyone in here has a problem with the guys carrying ord, trying to push by, but some in this thread feel that is the issue, trying to turn this into a furball thing, when it's not. Sure maybe they are trolling who knows

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rshubert · « **Reply #87 on:** January 10, 2005, 06:33:54 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01

This thread was a harmless appeal/question about why people fly high and don't fight? All the guys talking about ord etc are getting their panties bunched up for nothing.

Yah, right. And my real name is Ned the Naive. The "insecure" guys are the ones who feel the need to go after the other guy's game style, judging whether or not the enemy plane should have engaged them.

Can you tell from 2k away what I have hanging under my plane? I can't. Maybe 1K? Nope. So how do you know the guy running from you is heavy or not? I will almost guarantee any "horde" you run into is heavy.

As I have posted before, if I drop my ord to engage you, O wonderous Knight of the Skies, you already have won the fight. If I am up on a sweep, I will engage. It's really that simple. Are there guys that do it another way? Sure there are. Do I feel the need to tell them what is "right" and what is "wrong"?

No.

1Klink · « **Reply #88 on:** January 10, 2005, 06:47:24 PM »

What's wrong with flying at High Altitude?

When i do decide to take up an aircraft my Hardeck is no lower than 10-K.

I believe that all the good fights,and all the good pilots are above 10-K.

The first squad that i ever joined was the 880 Fleet Air Arm.
Great bunch of pilots,2 in particular Warloc;TheBug-
told me one valubale key to this game.
"Altitude=Life"

"life = Energy"

1Klink · « **Reply #89 on:** January 10, 2005, 06:48:56 PM »

LOL,i gotta quit smokin bud before i post on here.

"Altitude=Energy"

"Energy=Life"