Hordes!

[lazs2]

cobra... it is the strat guys who depend on Ai not the furballers.

and jakal...  this is a first for me too.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[Jackal1]

More windex for the monitor please.

[Cobra412]

Well lets see here.  Furballers rely on AI to protect them as they run from a fight and need a hand to get their six cleared.  They also rely on AI to defend their fields while they allow the "hordes" to overwhelm your bases.  Furballers rely on AI and "strat" guys to ensure their frontline bases are resupplied when those other strat guys are attacking them.  Furballers also rely on those "strat" folks to ensure they keep the balance when they become overwhelmed by enemies (bombing those little tool shed thingies).  Furballers also rely on those little "strat" guys when their poor dar gets shut down by those other little "strat" guys.  

So what was it you were saying again?  Oh a furballing area is down the hall in the DA room.  Then you don't have to worry about AI for resupplying or protection and you won't be bored by "strat" folks.

[TalonX]

It's called the DA.

IMHO, AHII is a WWII simulation.   Furballing wasn't the main focus.  It occured after defending (or while) the buff formations.

My squad tries to run ops that incorporate all aspects.   We frequently send up a couple buff flights, bunch of jabos, light fighters, and the needed goony bird.  With 100 base captures in December, we are comfortable it's the right formula for success....defined by the goal of the game, "capturing bases....".

I know many just like to furball, but I like that it has to be in the context of the existing game.

Just saying.....

[lazs2]

cobra... you don't know much about furballers do you?

talon... there is the DA and... there is the CT for the "realism" crowd who want to simulate a war... they are both deserted.

bring the fields closer together and then the "strat" girls will be whining... it is not a funtion of what people want to do so much as what the game allows them to do.

lazs

[streetstang]

This happens for one reason basicly.

Large Maps and lots of spread out bases.

Its happened many times within the past serveral nights to our little group.

A horde will come in, try to overwhelm a base. When they are  met with resistance they go elsewhere.

Now with a small map, they have no choice but to fight.

[streetstang]

And as far as you go Cobra, I rely on myself abovve all else in a furball. But if you are with a few guys who know how to fight you can work as one. Wing man tactics aren't limited to 10 thousand feet and above.

I rarely expect to live so I'll take as many with me and as fast as I can. Running to ack only prolongs the inevitable. The fact that in a furball you are most likely going to die. What you fight for is out of the chance that you may get lucky and live to land. But thats a distant second to te actual fight itself. Thats how I see it.

[Cobra412]

Nope laz I'm just a newbie.  I never learned by fighting in that furball you speak so highly of.  I've never watched the furball dwindle away because the strat folks hammered the bases in that area.  I never watched the furball come back because those same strat type folks resupplied the bases to keep the fight going so the furballers could in affect defend that area.  I've also never sat there and watched as all the furballers whined when some strat guy killed a "good" furball fight either.  I've also never watched as the furballers go racing head on into each other spraying at anything that comes near them only to die 2 minutes into the fight.  

Good furballers are few and far between.  The majority rely on the inexperienced newbies in that furball to get kills.  Maybe that's what attracts so many people to the furball.  Your guaranteed atleast a few kills because all of the newbies don't know any better and will race right in without having the first clue on how to fight in such a situation.  All they know is to follow the hordes towards the furball and get smacked down within the first 30 seconds of being into the "fight".  While you watch alot of the experienced pilots sucker those people in then press to altitude attacks either in the middle of the fight or after they get shot down and are coming back.  Now you've got your low and slow prey to pick off at will until someone else forces you back to the deck where the majority will most likely die and just repeat the cycle again.  But ofcourse I know nothing of how furballs go nor how to fight in such an engagement.

Morpheous and please tell me just how many people here are really worth a watermelon when it comes to furballing?  Out of the 400 to 500 people that fly on a daily basis what is the percentage that actually have a chance in a furball to survive?  How many actually fly into a furball and work wingman tactics and survive the fight?  Furballs for the most part are mindless chaos for the community as a whole.  There are very few that can go into a furball and eliminate the opposing force until they have no more ammo left and get back out and land.  I can only think of a few squads that would even stand a chance.  Meanwhile the rest of the folks only care how many kills they can get before they eventually die, hence my Air Quake comments.  

The majority of those in the furball couldn't handle themselves outside of the furball and it shows on a daily basis.  You catch them enroute to the furball and they are lucky to survive the 1 on 1 engagements or the 2 on 2 engagements.  Once they figure out they can't survive that fight they run to the deck to ack or to the furball to blend in so they can atleast get some kills before they die.  So what are the majority of these folks learning in a furball?  There are some who will end up learning how to survive for awhile before they die but what kind of percentage of those people are we talking about?  Tell me how many times you've been killed by some newb in a furball that if you had the chance to engage them outside that furball wouldn't stand a chance against you?  How many of these guys that you see in the furball will take the hoing and spraying that is typically seen in a furball and try to apply that to a basic 1 on 1 engagement only to have it kill them in the end?  It comes down to just how many folks that typically fight in furball situations can actually take what they've learned and apply it in a situation other than a furball.  The numbers will be minimal I'm sure.  Again there is very few really good furballers that can not only survive in the furball but also survive outside the furball when it really matters most.  If you can't make it to the furball because you can't kill a single opponent enroute to the furball then what is your only other options?  Avoidance tactics or find somewhere else where there isn't blocking forces present prior to the furball.

[Vudak]

Everyone says that all the furballers should go to the DA....


TOOLSHED KILLERS GO TO DA.  You can bomb undefended targets to your heart's content.  Just look at the east of the map.

[lazs2]

cobra... wrong again... there are a lot of guys that are decent that furball that are new or from other games... most of the guys who furball and aren't that great flyu the better planes.

No matter what... their skill level far exceeds the best toolshed killer.

What happens is (I know you know all about itright?)  What happens is that the furrball is full of very skilled pilots... semi skilled and not so skilled..  the guys not all that good generally make up for it with plane choice or not flying into to much of a disadvantage..

I am not that good so when three mediocre guys in spits are all on me it is a challenge for my wildcat.... one good guy in a spit or nik or zeke or hurri gives me a real workout...  now... put 3 or four of these situations all happening at once in a small area and you have a good furball.

last night I had two BK's fighting in the same furball with me and it was an advantage... course.... they were morph and dipstick so it was tough for me to even get a kill around em.

I still don't think you know what a good furball is.  

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Vudak
Everyone says that all the furballers should go to the DA....


TOOLSHED KILLERS GO TO DA.  You can bomb undefended targets to your heart's content.  Just look at the east of the map.

What each side fails to realise is they can compliment each other very well in the same arena and each would get what they wanted

Furballers would do great and always have their furball by defending against the horde.
Whilst landgrabbers moved on creating a new place to furball

And I dont agree that the furballers are better pilots then the landgrabbers.

I've found  pretty good and pretty poor pilots on both at about the same ratio.

On the other hand. If anyone REALLY thinks they're that  good or skilled.

Try being one of the few that actually try to defend against the horde.

I've had far better fights, and often more intence doing that then in any furball I've been in

[Cobra412]

Yep I'm wrong your right.  Your the experienced vet and I'm just a newbie.  Good day.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
What each side fails to realise is they can compliment each other very well in the same arena and each would get what they wanted

Furballers would do great and always have their furball by defending against the horde.
Whilst landgrabbers moved on creating a new place to furball

And I dont agree that the furballers are better pilots then the landgrabbers.

I've found  pretty good and pretty poor pilots on both at about the same ratio.

On the other hand. If anyone REALLY thinks they're that  good or skilled.

Try being one of the few that actually try to defend against the horde.

I've had far better fights, and often more intence doing that then in any furball I've been in

I was just stirring the pot Drediock

[Canaris]

Originally posted by Skydancer
Maybe I'm just not getting the picture but all the complaining I read about "hordes" seems a bit daft!

I think the reason people gravitate toward each other and play one big battle is that it is little fun flying around spending hours looking for an enemy in a sector that is relatively empty.
Seems like common sense to me to go where the action is.  I mean if you only play for an hour or so at a time like me then why would you want to go to where the action isn't.

One thing I would like to see is massed bombing raids. I mean big bomber streams.

Can't we just quit moaning about the horde thing.

AMEN



Canaris

[DREDIOCK]

Re: Hordes!

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Originally posted by Skydancer
Maybe I'm just not getting the picture but all the complaining I read about "hordes" seems a bit daft!

I think the reason people gravitate toward each other and play one big battle is that it is little fun flying around spending hours looking for an enemy in a sector that is relatively empty.
Seems like common sense to me to go where the action is. I mean if you only play for an hour or so at a time like me then why would you want to go to where the action isn't.

One thing I would like to see is massed bombing raids. I mean big bomber streams.

Can't we just quit moaning about the horde thing.
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Originally posted by Canaris
AMEN



Canaris

Then you dont understand what a horde is or what it does.

The problem with the hordes is they DONT do that.
The horde goes in with hugely overwhelming numbers to a relatively undefended base.

And they do exactly that. They go where the action isnt.