Surly Drunk + Cop w/Taser = Comedy Gold!

[RTStuka]

I did a ride along with the local Sheriffs Department tonight and it was a blast. I was hoping that some ******* would be difficult and get tazered, but no such luck. So its currently a toss up between the cracked out lady with crystal meth on her or the three Illegal Immigrants stuffed into a trunk that takes the case as best stop.

[RTStuka]

Originally posted by Bluedog
Did you see the vid where the bloke had been hit with 40mm baton rounds, and had the dog hanging off him when they fired the Tazer?
I was wondering why the hell it didnt frazzle the dog too, since it was attahed to his arm while the current was flowing.

If the dog was haning and not touching the ground then he wasnt grounded. So the current would have just passed through him with no effect, more than likely the dog was on the arm and the current was flowing through the body, but I never saw the video just my thought.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
I agree that it's cruel to use it as a training meathod or as a punishment tool BUT The section I quoted I gotta say something about.

What about electric fences?  I grew up in Nebraska and had a cow pasture that was behind my back yard.  Further up in the pasture was an electric fenced area.  I dont know why it was electric but the cows stayed the hell away from it.

Not knowing what it was,I grabbed hold of one once when I was a kid.

It'll get your attention thats for sure.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by rpm
Yeah that's almost as funny as the drunk that died from a heart attack after Ft.Worth P.D. tazer'ed him 3 times. Who'da thunk electric shock can cause cardiac arrest?

From what I was told by a doctor
Any electrical shock is capable of causing cardiac arrest.
Particularly if you have a heart condition to begin with.

[EN4CER]

Originally posted by rpm
Yeah that's almost as funny as the drunk that died from a heart attack after Ft.Worth P.D. tazer'ed him 3 times. Who'da thunk electric shock can cause cardiac arrest?

It’s the amps that kill and the Taser M26 and the X26 are 4 one thousandth of 1 amp. Yes, the weapons deliver 50,000 volts / 26 watts but the amps are way below the limit the cause’s cardiac arrest. You need about 3 amps or better (depending on person size) to kill a person. I have to shake my head to the fact that over 50,000 police officers world wide have taken a hit with the Taser during training and all of them are alive. I personally have been hit 5 times with the weapon. Unfortunately to date 100+ bad guys have died while being arrested and a Taser was deployed (Majority died later on - not during use). All of them - drug users / intoxicated, etc. Of course their families lawyered up but Taser International did 10 years of research before putting their product on the market. All of the lawsuits so far have been swatted away like watching one of Andre Agassi's backhands. Point being RPM - No medical examiner or court of law in this country has yet to declare the M26 or the X26 as the cause of death. I get the law enforcement legal documents from the company every month as well as training updates. I'm the lead instructor for my department regarding the weapon so I have to stay up to date on it.

Originally posted by KBall
Well according to Amnesty International 74 people have died in the U.S. and Canada from Tazers since 2001. The problem I see developing is that law enforcement people are not fully comprehending that Tazers are capable of killing. Law enforcement agencies are using Tazers more and more for minor infractions. The following link is a good read.

Read the above - Want the legal and medical bulletins from the Company for the real facts? - No MEDICAL EXAMINER or COURT OF LAW in this country has declared the M26 or X26 Taser as the  cause of death. Funny - when ABC news did their ANTI-Taser special a few months back they refused to interview any of the 500 medical doctors and experts that back and support the Taser. Perhaps it would have put a damper on their anti-taser / anti-cop propoganda special.

Originally posted by Bluedog
Gotta agree...what earthly use is there for an 'animal tazer'??
If you cannot control an animal without the use of high voltage charges, then you have no bussiness being anywhere near that animal.

I don't believe they have put the Animal Taser on market yet - It was supposed to be for Animal Control Officers. Problem they have with it is the same as on the video - the recovery rate is instantaneous and usually ended up pissing the animal off even more. Assisting Officers could not go near the animal while it was on the ground being tazed because the volts and amps are a lot higher with this model. There is a great video of an M26 Taser being used against a Rottweiler. It’s not up on their website yet so I might post it here on my own. The dog probably would have been shot if the cop didn't have the taser on him.

All the above aside here's a good question for the OC BB Group.

Should civilians be allowed to carry Tasers? Just so you know - You can in amost every state except for the New England Area (NY. NJ, MA, etc.) and a few other stragglers. Heres the kicker too - The Law Enforcement model delivers a charge for 5 seconds (it can interuppted by safety switch) when you pull the trigger. You can deliver a charge past the 5 second period if you pull the trigger and hold it down. My department trains for 5 second burst. The civilian model is designed to deliver a 90 second burst once the trigger is pulled - so the civilian can shock their assailant, drop the weapon, and run away. It does not operate at the same volatage / watt level as the law enforcement / military model.

[Sox62]

Originally posted by EN4CER
Good Video - Oldie but a goodie. That guy took 5 / 6 hits, pretty good for a drunk. I took a full 5 second dart hit during training last march and it certainly didn't tickle. My all time favorite is still "The Bull".

The Bull

Other Taser Videos

LMAO!!!

The bull video really needs to find it's way to the PETA BBS....LOL

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by rpm
Yeah that's almost as funny as the drunk that died from a heart attack after Ft.Worth P.D. tazer'ed him 3 times. Who'da thunk electric shock can cause cardiac arrest?

and your solution would be take them off the market and go back to the old fasion way of doing things that would result in more officer/suspect injuries/deaths?

nothing is going to be completly non-leathal and deaths are going to happen.  Recently in boston an innocent bystandard was hit in the face w/ a CS canister or somthing.  She was killed and the officers that were firing into an unruley croud were devistated as a result.  These cops don't want to kill people but to me it should be the Unruley croud that should be blamed not the cops.

The second you start resisting arrest you risk death or injury.

[EN4CER]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Recently in boston an innocent bystandard was hit in the face w/ a CS canister or somthing.  She was killed and the officers that were firing into an unruley croud were devistated as a result.  These cops don't want to kill people but to me it should be the Unruley croud that should be blamed not the cops.

It was a Pepper Ball Gun GS. Same concept as a paintball gun. Suppossedly a bad lot of ammo for the weapon. My department was just about to make the purchase and test it out until this incident arose.

[rpm]

Yeah, I guess it's easier to fire a pepper ball weapon or use a tazer than it it to outnumber and wrestle a suspect to the ground. The "but the officer might get hurt" arguement does not fly with me. They knew the hazards of the job when they took the job. Maybe the corrupt Sheriff's Department we had here for 40+ years has soured me a bit.

[eagl]

Heh, 50 cops and a unruly crowd of 2000 people... "outnumber and wrestle to the ground"?  Haha.

I don't think any cop should put his life in danger for the benefit of someone who is breaking the law or endangering others.  That's totally unreasonable.  Why should the lawbreaker get more consideration than the person we hired to protect our safety and enforce the law?  If the cops are corrupt, hire new cops.  Requiring the cop to put his life in danger for the benefit of a violent, criminal, or irrational person is immoral.  

Giving the cop less-than-lethal options and also allowing them the option of using them in lieu of risking their own life is the right thing to do, period.  It gives a cop in a bad situation an alternative to risking his own life or killing someone who probably doesn't really need killing but is endangering himself or other people.

[rpm]

Simmer down eagl. I was speaking of the lone drunk, not the mob. Fire hoses would have worked well in that scenario.

[eagl]

I guess I was confused by the earlier reference to the girl in the crowd that died when she got hit by a pepperball, and your statement about pepperballs.  Sorry

Still, even when it's one perp and a half dozen cops, why should the cops risk a knife in the chest out of consideration for the perp's health?  A perp with a knife is going to get shot dead if the cops don't have less than lethal options and the authority to use them.  It's not the easy way out, it's the safe way out.  If a guy is so hopped up on coke that his heart stops when he gets tazered, then really that's just too bad.  My dad saw a guy on meth break a set of standard cuffs.  It broke every bone in the guys's wrists, but it also broke the cuffs.  They shot one guy high on something 11 times in the chest before a round hit his spine and he dropped.  He had a knife.  Sure, 10 cops could have jumped on the guy and maybe taken a few losses in the name of public safety, but that's what they signed up for, right?

Wrong.  Give them a tazer and let them use it when the other option is to either risk the cop's life or shoot the guy dead.  Pepperballs and 40mm baton rounds are supposed to be even one step further down the lethality scale, but a shot to the head can still kill.  When it comes down to consideration for a criminal or the cop, I'm pretty much on the cop's side so it's the duty of our society to make sure the cops have less than lethal tools so he can protect us without unreasonably risking himself.

As for the unfortunate girl in the crowd, that's a tragedy.  But you know, I don't join mobs or crowds confrontating cops any more than I run with the bulls in Pamplona or chase tornados with a camera.  Shxt happens when participating in dangerous activities.  I'm a fighter pilot and I know damn well I could die anytime due to a violent act, a criminal act, an act of war, an act of god, simple negligence, or a simple mistake.  It's a risk I accept when I engage in that activity.  Joining a mob confronting a cop carries a risk and only an idiot needs a warning label to point this out.  That girl was in the wrong damn place at the wrong damn time and she shouldn't have been killed, but the fact remains that she was in an area of increased risk and the whims of the fates determined that she would die that day.

Even a 7 yr old with a knife ought to get whacked with something.  I'm sure as hell not going to try to grab a freaked out kid with a knife...  If he needs controlling, I'm not going to go in with my bare hands unless he's my own kid.  If someone else has to control my kid in such a situation, it's my own damn fault for not bringing him up properly.

[rpm]

There are hundreds of other options besides electric shock. It's simply the easy way out.

[eagl]

The other options are usually violent and have their own risk of fatal injury.  Even the new super sticky or super slippery goo tools can't prevent someone from harming themselves or a hostage, but a tazer will freeze them instantly.

[rpm]

Apparently not, if they have to use it over and over.