Switching from IL2 to Aces Hi

[Scrap]

Nose bounce may also occur if you have Force Feedback checked and are not using a force feedback stick.

[thomasbernie]

Thanks Scrap.  I use CH & FF is not checked.

Thanks, tom

[Ohio43]

I tried Hammer's suggestion about turning all the sliders up.  Wow, that did make a huge difference.  I did this for both roll, pitch, and rudder.  Upped a plane and intentionally did not use rudder.  There was no bounce at all.  Then when using rudder I had bounce.  I then put all the rudder sliders at 50% and that really helped a lot.

[thomasbernie]

Hammer's suggestion works for me too.  I seem to really have to back off on the rudder and scale it from zero to about half.

Thanks, Tom

[Ack-Ack]

My stick scale designed to eliminate the nose bounce inherent in some planes in AH.  It is also geared with turn fighting in mind.



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[thomasbernie]

Thanks ack-ack.  I copied ur config file to my settings folder.  It doesn't feel as tight as running with aileron & elevators full up, but I'll try to get used to it.  Also, thanks for the other good info.  Now, if I can get the host to give me an account, I'll see what H to H is all about.

Thanks, tom

[Ack-Ack]

Make sure you have the stall limiter turned off.



ack-ack

[thomasbernie]

OK tnx

[Schaden]

Welcome to AH - I also play IL2 and came over to AH from Fighter Ace a couple of years ago.

I think after about two or three weeks you'll get used to the slightly different flight model and will feel pretty comfortable switching between the two.

Pluses are:
Much, much better gameplay
In game vox that actually works
Decent eye candy - not great but ok
gunnery very similar
huge arena
better cockpit views - ie you can change yr pov
IR tracker 3 works in here
no invisible cockpits

Minuses
IL2 eye candy is far better
180 degree 6 view is irritating in AH - you can set it though to be more realistic
no more 6 people in a room and everyone start to warp

I still play Il2 - it's just that AH is better for mmog and once you got used to hunting people it's hard to ever go back.

[Schaden]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
My stick scale designed to eliminate the nose bounce inherent in some planes in AH.  It is also geared with turn fighting in mind.



ack-ack

Ack-ack where would unzip the stick scale to?

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Schaden
Ack-ack where would unzip the stick scale to?

Unzip it into your AH/settings folder.  Make sure that you back up your original stick.cfg file by renaming it stick.bak in case you want to go back to your original settings.


ack-ack

[debuman]

Ack-Ack,
Is that stick scale designed for a particular joystick?  What exactly does it configure?

Also, I enjoyed the articles in file about gunnery and e-management.  Maybe there should be and addititonal folder in the Help and Training section where articles like those could be posted and kept.  For people like me who are still in the very bottom part of their "learning curve", those kind of articles are very valuable.
Thanks again!

[Ack-Ack]

Not made for any one joystick.  I have the settings like that so I can ride the edge of the envelope better.



ack-ack

[mechanic]

essentially here is what these settings do:

Deadband: Dead band settings will affect how much input is required before the control surface moves. a high setting will make sloppy sticks less jerky. if you find that keeping a steady nose for gunnery and ACM is a problem, play with deadband.

Damper: again, with sloppy sticks,  a higher damper setting will limit the 'over steer' problems in pitch and rudder. If you find that in high speed turns and climbs you're unstable, play with the damper.

Ack-ack's stick files are very usefull. If you find they dont work for cheaper sticks with low resistance, try playing with these settings:


Roll: deadband set to 1/4, damper just under half.

Pitch: DB a little over half, damper, just under half.

Rudder: DB 60% up, Damper just under half.


I have a POS stick (cheapo saitek) and have found it to be almost useless with out some settings changes. 'nose bounce' is a big problem, 'rudder snap stalls' are also trouble, especially when pulling hard back with a twisty stick as its very hard not to input s a little rudder. roll is less effected but it still needs tuning to get the most out of AH.

Oh! and as mentined already, STALL LIMITER must be OFF!

[DamnedRen]

hmmmm, lotsa good stuff here.

You say you have 10k rl stick time. If so why would you want to take out all the sensitivity of your stick by moving all the sliders to the top? Is that how a real plane fly's?

Just to rehash a couple of things;
Deadband kills pot (potentiometer) movement along the axis you chose. The more deadband you input the more of the center pot movement you take out. It was set up originally to provide some stick usefulness even if you have a stick where the pots are either dirty or old and spiking. Its easy to check if your pots are spiking. From within the game hit esc/setup/controls/joystick/settings. Look at the blue boxes on the right in the new window. If you see the + spike when you move your stick then you can do 3 things;
Recalibrate your stick and see if it fixes it.
Slide the dead band slider bar up a bit and see if it fixes it.
Buy a new pot and stick it in the stick.
If your stick doesn't spike on any axis leave the deadband alone.

Damping delays the onset of control surface movement. When you yank on the stick for any reason you may get a message "don't move your stick so rapidly" and your controls will lock for a few seconds. This is the game saying, don't yank on the stick so fast. For those of us who have a tendency to yank the stick when the bullets are striking our plane (reflex action) damping lets us yank a lil before it begins to move the controls and by the time (milliseconds) the control surfaces move you have calmed down a hair and eased pressure off the stick.
You may want to adjust the damping up just a hair (1/16 inch up?) and see its effect.

Back to stick movement vs control surface movement. How many planes have you ever flown where you moved the stick 1/2 inch and the control surfaces went hard over to the stops? In fact, some modern jets don't even like full control throws to the stops and back or you may have a catastophic failure of a major component.
 
That said you may want to think about setting the stick throws to the same control surface throws. It will give you a more realistic feel of flying. Where it plays a big role is in pitch and yaw. Both of these axis' require gentle (softer?) movement around its center to allow easier aiming and more control when flying along the ragged egde of the flight envelope.

Hope this helps. If you want more info or help you can find me in the Training Arena (TA) or just email me.

Ren