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I remember some old posts discussing the AH's Spitfire IX as a Spitfire F.IX
« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2005, 05:59:48 PM »
guppy why some spit moddels have a pointy vertical stabilazer and some dont?

does it make any difference?

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« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2005, 06:13:34 PM »
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guppy why some spit moddels have a pointy vertical stabilazer and some dont?

does it make any difference?


Like any of the WW2 fighters, the larger the engine and greater the power the more rudder they needed.

The Larger rudder was initially used with the Spit XII and the new Griffon III and IV it used.  But it was also added to the Spit VII and VIII on the production line.  Later on it was used with the Spit IX and XVI.

With the advent of the two stage Griffons and the XIV they redesigned the entire tail so that it was larger over all to take in the increased power of the Griffon 60 series.

Other Fighters used different methods.  The P40 for example got a longer fuselage as the engine power increased.  The 190D9 introduced a lengthening of the fuselage to help balance things out.

Bottom line it was to help handling and the increased horsepower of the larger engines.

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« Reply #47 on: January 13, 2005, 06:39:26 PM »
thanks guppy.

you probably know it allready, but i really appreciate your effort to enlighten the uneducated.
its a real treat to learn from you guys, and i know i can allweys count on this forum to answer all my dumb questions :)

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« Reply #48 on: January 13, 2005, 06:53:19 PM »
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Like any of the WW2 fighters, the larger the engine and greater the power the more rudder they needed.

The Larger rudder was initially used with the Spit XII and the new Griffon III and IV it used.  But it was also added to the Spit VII and VIII on the production line.  Later on it was used with the Spit IX and XVI.

With the advent of the two stage Griffons and the XIV they redesigned the entire tail so that it was larger over all to take in the increased power of the Griffon 60 series.

Other Fighters used different methods.  The P40 for example got a longer fuselage as the engine power increased.  The 190D9 introduced a lengthening of the fuselage to help balance things out.

Bottom line it was to help handling and the increased horsepower of the larger engines.

Dan/Slack


Fw190D9 also got an extension on the vertical fin in front of the rudder, later an all new even larger fin/rudder were added to the Ta152 series and some late model As and Ds..

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« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2005, 07:00:20 PM »
Dan

do you know how many 'bubble' and 'razorback' Spit XIVs were produced?

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« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2005, 07:59:05 PM »
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Fw190D9 also got an extension on the vertical fin in front of the rudder, later an all new even larger fin/rudder were added to the Ta152 series and some late model As and Ds..


Same with the 109 Series...

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« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2005, 09:12:17 PM »
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Dan

do you know how many 'bubble' and 'razorback' Spit XIVs were produced?


I'm not sure Milo.  I don't know that anyone has really taken the time to find out.  Part of the problem is you can find planes in the same serial ranges with one being high back and one being low back.

As near as I can tell, they didn't start delivering the bubble top XIV and XVI aircraft until the end of the war late March or early April 45

Image shows Terry Spencer, then CO of 350 Squadron in a bubble top XIV.

Peter Cowell, who I stayed with in England back in 85 had a painting of his 41 Squadron Spit XIV done at the end of the war and it was a bubble top EB-P, yet two other paintings done at the same time for other 41 pilots had normal razorback Spit XIVs.  So I think it was mix and match well into the postwar as you'd seen occupation squadrons operating both types together.

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« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2005, 10:43:08 PM »
Thanks Dan.

That is what I found when I went looking for the spilt > same serial ranges had both.

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« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2005, 04:24:51 AM »
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Image shows Terry Spencer, then CO of 350 Squadron in a bubble top XIV.



He barely fits into the cocpit... :cool:
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« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2005, 05:09:06 AM »
He needs to duck to close the canopy...

He must be a giant because we all know how 'roomy' allied cockpits were.;)

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« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2005, 05:17:54 AM »
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He needs to duck to close the canopy... He must be a giant because we all know how 'roomy' allied cockpits were.;)


The photo is obviously a fake. This guy would have to bend U-form and kiss the gunsight after he closed the canopy. Of course this wasn`t so irl, I have a great oral story about a jazz concert that was held in Spitfire`s cocpit. They even had a seperated cigar room. I`ll post it - very soon(tm). But right now I am busy with my excell calculations how much it would take my garden waterpump to empty the thames. :lol
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« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2005, 05:30:19 AM »
Don't be taking shots at Terry Spencer.  He's a heckuva nice person who has lived a life most of us can only dream about.

I feel most privilaged to have been able to get to know him and spend some time at his home with he and his wife.

And yes the Spit cockpit is fairly roomy.  I fit in it quite well and I'm bigger then Terry

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« Reply #57 on: January 14, 2005, 06:34:58 AM »
Oh dear.
I can post a picture of the Elbe, which I once sailed along. It's too big to dry up though. So, when the puny RAF bombed the city, there was quite enough water. It burned anyway.
Would have been better for them to have more pumps, mine does 6500 ltr/min, and my "gardenhose" is 5 inches wide :D

Enough of that. I also had the honour of knowing an old Spit pilot, who in his younger days would have been roughly my size or maybe a tad taller (6 foot plus). He was a decent bit taller than Rall, who's quote on the Spit cockpit I have already posted to the great dismay of SOMEBODY. Anyway, he had the opportunity to meet his brother who was in the merchant navy (after having being sunk twice!) some time in 1943/44. So, he picked him up with his Spit IX, stuffed him in the cockpit and flew back to base.
I've heard some similar tales of 109's, now that must have ben tough.

Then, onto my excel project.

It's prowling along, - basically the excel formula is ready, but I have to calculate into missing gaps.
I overestimated excel, I must confess, but fear not, for I am writing the formula in code now, and in the final version you will just have to enter alt bands and speed at those, than you can get the exact digit for every 100 feet of altitude. How about that
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Oh, btw, Dan, have you been in a 109 cockpit?
Looks to me that I'd fit in there, but just so, a bit tight over the shoulders I guess.
Back to the Spitfire:
For all I know, one could crank the seat a bit up and down, to fit smaller or bigger pilots, - anything of that?
I remember a tale of a very short pilot who needed an extra cushion under the parachute. May have been one of the eagle squad pilots.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2005, 07:17:13 AM »
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Don't be taking shots at Terry Spencer.  


I am not taking any Dan, just noted that him, even smaller than you, barely fits into that cocpit - that`s plain obvious to see - and probably have to shave his head and only then he would have an inch between his head and the canopy`s plexiglass. Good to hear though people actually CAN fit inside. I guess that makes it possible to even fly it from the inside, eh?
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« Reply #59 on: January 14, 2005, 07:47:20 AM »
He is really a midget standing up on the seat :p

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Don't be taking shots at Terry Spencer.


No one is taking shots at him. We are just making a little fun out of some of the old stereotypes.

btw Kurfürst,

How's it going with that garden hose?

The Thames drains an area of approximately 12 900 km2.



    
Angus,

Hydrological data (including yearly flow rates) for the UK and the Thames is available through the National River Flow Archive Office:

nwamail@ceh.ac.uk

National Water Archive Office
CEH Wallingford
Wallingford
Oxon
OX10 8BB

Yearly rain fall in the Thames Region is about 690 mm.

I don't care how many 5 inch hoses you have you won't be 'draining' the Thames any time soon.

They damn sure didn't drain it in '39 either...
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