US Gives Up On Search For WMD's

[Cobra412]

GS so your saying that the US and it's allies have been illegally enforcing UN sanctions since the end of the Gulf War?  Have we not been there enforcing the no fly and no drive zones for oh lets say for the past 14 years for the UN.  Did the UN not authorize this or has the whole world been watching a small war over the past 14 years and now they feel the need to say something?

Don't give me the bs about spending billions on war while so many people are dying in other countries that need aid.  You can keep your hippy ideals to yourself.  Wars have been fought over lesser issues than what this current war is being fought over and people were still dying around the world.

Your country spends billions to keep your war machine ready for what exactly?  Why not spend your billions instead on saving the world?  What threat is there against your nation that requires you to keep such an arsenal?  Keep your bs about what is spent on the military and it's operations to yourself.  Better yet since your such a peaceful country why is it the UN didn't go to you after the Gulf War to ensure sanctions were followed by SH.  Or any other one of the so called peaceful nations within the UN.  Oh that's right because you guys only want to stick your nose into the fray when you feel like it.  You really don't give a watermelon unless it affects you in some way.  I wonder what might be affecting the Euro world that they care so much about this war.  Oil prices maybe?  Must be hard on the pockets eh.  

I'm sure you really care whether or not a tyrant like SH has been ousted from power.  I'm sure you really cared about how many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that have died during his reign of power.  If you really did then why is it all of a sudden now you wanna jump in because of so many civilian casualties and an unjust war?  Funny how you and the rest of the Euro countries stood by why he massacred his people and didn't say a word.  What about the unjust war he has been waging against "his" people?  Where were you guys then?  Why weren't you standing up for the rights of that nation during that time of turmoil?  Oh because it didn't affect your oil prices then and what you don't see can't hurt you right?  Unjust war huh?  You and your peaceful nations would allow genocide to happen if you had the ability to turn a blind eye to it.  So in closing keep your bs peace loving crap to yourself.  The day you actually get off your arses and do something to keep tyrants like this from killing off their people at will then you can step up to the plate and voice your opinion.  Until that time you do little but stand up on your soap boxes and preach about how unjust the rest of the world is when trying to stop these acts.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by lada
Well may be you could go and practivce some IOS cmds and then there will raise a question on your mind.
Why cisco teach in CCNA that Rip1 doesnt support smaller subnetmasks that C class, while RIP support it regaring norms.. ehh ?

Yeah well maybe I won't because I don't touch Cisco gear.

Lada, if you're going to try and be a smartarse you could at least try and get your english to a level that we can understand. If english is a second language, and you can couple, don't try and be smart.

Now, be gone, crawl back to your failed communist experiment. Your grasping straws over how many provinces get to participate in Iraqs first steps to a true democracy is transparent as Soviet-envy of how the Soviet Union crumbled at the feet of the US.

[moot]

Just yanking you chain mate, shooting down your pony wasn't enough.

Re: the politics of this thing, I usually agree with the US the most (e.g. if I was given an active spot in the US mil I'd take it); but the lack of thoroughness and general fallaciousness of debating, on the net and IRL, to me is the most absurd thing.

[Cobra412]

lol Yep GS isn't a US hater at all.  Ever wonder why his posts are so one sided?  But GS has already enlightened us by letting us know the United States is the reason for all the worlds problems.  We have caused the whole world to become unstable and we are just another Napoleon Bonaparte, Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, and can't forget Adolph Hitler.  Yep we are just biding our time so we can take over the world.  Unlike the Asia and Euro folks we won't fail and we won't just enslave all of you but cut the heads off of your precious civilians for the world to see and understand just how powerful our nation really is.  Isn't that how the Asian and Euro folks use to do it?  Wait or was it like the Northmen who killed everything in their path regardless of what it was?  Maybe we should become more like the Euro nations.  We just might learn how to be really sadistic.  

You really need to get a life GS.  You might also want to seek counsel for never ending hatred of the world and those which oppose your ideals.

[Cobra412]

GS again your US bashing is getting old.  And if those sanctions were "illegal" where was the UN and why did they allow it?  The whole UN must work really well if they allowed it to happen for over 13 years.  Good thing we have them there to ensure things around the world are dealt with in a timely manner.  If we had the UN during WWII you very well may have been speaking German.  It would have taken them how many years to make a decision on Hitler?

GS you seem to think that the rest of the world is so pretty and hasn't done a thing that is unjust in anyway it's amusing.  But the US ofcourse is just a war mongering country.  

How about Norway gets off their arses and tries to clean up something for once instead of standing on their soap box constantly talking the talk but not walking the walk.  Your just a bunch of panzies that sit at home and whine about the rest of the worlds doings.  

And GS if your weren't such a dolt then maybe you wouldn't have made the statement "No other country in the world have started more wars than the United States of America." if you didn't want it to backfire in your face. If it was a thousand years or a hundred years your statement was false.  

 Just keep sitting your panzy arse at home making your billions off of oil and keep whining about watermelon that not even your country will get off their arses to deal with.  Typical Euro trash that wants to bash the US.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Don't like personal insults do you? Hmmmm...



I was merely pointing out, that if you do the jobs you say you do, and are working towards your ATPL then you should know that it is not a simple thing to qualify to fly jets.

4 provinces out of 18, how much more is that than could vote before?

Me, I work in IT, specifically security and networking.

Working towards ATPL? I finsihed my ATPL back in 98 and certinly never thought of the exams as being hard or a test of brilliance.

Actually Sadam did hold an election, remember he got 100% LOL

4 out of 18, well Sadam was never pushing democracy was he? Or all this BS about democracy and freedom spreeding through the Middle East. 4 out of the 18 is very significant if your the one that's pushing for democracy and an election to try and pull out your troops out, as that 4 (if you bothered to look at the pop stats) makes up half the population of Iraq.

That's something that Bush and his Generals forget to mention.



...-Gixer

[straffo]

Originally posted by NUKE
Straffo, Gixer, Lada, Patrone and others against the Iraq war.

Can you explain to anyone what exactly it is that upsets you about the war?

Then explain what other wars upset you to an equal degree.

There are lots of wars and conflicts in the world that the UN did not "give permission" for. Why is is that Iraq is the one that really makes you upset?

If you start your post with a false assertion what kind of answer do you expect ?
I was not against war , I was against the war as started and planed by GWB.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by straffo

I was not against war , I was against the war as started and planed by GWB.

So, if you were not against the war, but only against the way BG planned it, then what are you upset about?

[straffo]

I'm not upset.

Where have you got this idea ???

I'm more upset of the attitude some US warmonger showed especially when it concern my country.

[patrone]

GScholz-Cobra412 4-0

Wtg

(please dont give him more fact, he might not be able to handle it.)

[NUKE]

Originally posted by straffo
I'm not upset.

Where have you got this idea ???

I'm more upset of the attitude some US warmonger showed especially when it concern my country.

Straffo, I understand completely.

[Elfie]

Following the Gulf War, no-fly zones were set up north of the 36th parallel to protect Iraq's Kurdish minority and, later, south of the 32nd parallel to protect the country's Shiite Muslims. They were implemented by the United States (under President George H. W. Bush), Great Britain, and France. As justification, the trio of nations cited U.N. Security Council Resolution 688, adopted in 1991 to condemn Iraq's brutal repression of the Kurds and Shiites. The resolution demanded that Iraq cease its "repression of the Iraqi civilian population."

http://slate.msn.com/id/2074302/

No, the "no-fly zones" were not UN sanctioned and thus illegal.

So its illegal to protect people from oppression and being murdered?

The UN Charter is just that, a Charter, it is NOT a collection of international laws. In order for something to be illegal it has to be against the law.

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Gixer
The question was/is that Iraq was invaded for WMD's which has all proven to be false, not that Sadam was a bad man. What makes you so sure that the situation for Iraqis today and in the future will be any better?



...-Gixer

Gixer, why do you think that the WMD (as 'casus belli') were not in Iraq's possession when the USA started the war? Is this because those WMD have not been found until now?

As far as I remember, not all of the WMD (in the amounts existence of which was accepted by Iraq itself) were attested for. Nor were there enough official Iraqi documentation presented to the United Nations about the liquidation of those amounts of the WMD. This can be easily construed as the 'casus belli', especially if one takes into account the well-founded scare in Israel (strategic ally of the USA) of the Iraqi WMD attack, and special intrests in Iraq's oil.
All that said, you can't speak about "WMD's which has all proven to be false".

Iraq has several big lakes, two big rivers confluense of which ends up in marshy delta, and maritime border line in the Persian Gulf.

As a philologist with military background, I can envisage the realization of the popular Russian saying 'kontsy v vodu' ('the ends - into the water'). This ends my post here.

[Elfie]

You are dead on about the WMD's Geriatriczaur (sorry couldnt resist on that one , I wont do it again, but I HAD to do it just this once lol)

Even if the US found a cache of chemical weapons Gixer would claim the US planted them there heh

[genozaur]

I have to forgive you, Elfie.