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Offline rpm

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« on: January 13, 2005, 12:43:05 AM »
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Airbus again bests Boeing in orders

By JAMES WALLACE
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER AEROSPACE REPORTER

As expected, Airbus delivered more jets than The Boeing Co. last year and won the annual order battle for the fourth consecutive year.

At a news conference in Paris, Airbus Chief Executive Noel Forgeard said the European company will continue to outperform its U.S. rival in 2005.

"I am virtually certain that in 2005 we will again exceed deliveries of the competition," Forgeard told reporters.

Airbus won 370 firm orders in 2004, of which four were canceled, for a net total of 366. Boeing had 272 net orders last year.

Airbus said it expects to receive from 300 to 350 orders this year. Boeing does not forecast its annual order expectations. Boeing has not beaten Airbus in orders since 2000.

Baseler also noted that Airbus sold 10 A380s last year, the same number of sales Boeing had for its 747. But all those 747 orders were for freighters.

For the second straight year, Airbus delivered more jets in 2004 than Boeing, and could deliver more for the next several years.

Airbus said it delivered 320 planes last year. Boeing delivered 285.

Forgeard said Airbus expects to deliver between 350 and 360 planes this year. Boeing has said it will deliver about 320 jets in 2005.

Airbus posted a profit margin before interest and taxes of 9.6 percent for the first nine months of 2004.

"Airbus is almost twice as profitable as its competitor," Forgeard said, based on what he said were Boeing's own financial numbers.

In a related story garage carpet sales were down sharply in the Seattle area.
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2005, 12:45:55 AM »
rpm, are you happy about that or something? Luckily Boeing doesn't just make airliners :rolleyes:
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2005, 12:51:43 AM »
Just noting a news story. Boeing ain't going.
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2005, 02:01:29 AM »
Along with its greatest achievements, Boeing deserves every failure it achieves.  Every success Airbus experiences is due entirely to Boeings self inflicted failures.  Airbus has achieved nothing without the expressed permission of Boeing.

**** Phil Conduit, the pansy bellybutton mother****er!
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2005, 02:09:03 AM »
GWS , a styrofoam RC plane manufacturer, had to cancel the plans for P-38 and 747 planes. The planes were already ready to make and deliver, but this stupid copyright stuff hit them hard.

Now its gonna be Airbus model...

There goes the last good publicity for Boeing in RCworld..

Wondering when ´Lockeed/boeing are going to stop HTC..
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2005, 02:15:20 AM »
In the quarter ending Sept '04, Boeing had revenue of $13.219 billion a gross profit of $2.055 billion.

Not bad for a failing company.
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2005, 02:43:46 AM »
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Originally posted by rpm

Yipee!

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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2005, 02:45:06 AM »
i dont see boing a "failing" company, they doin good,
but other on the horizon maybe doing even better, i call this competition
and thats what turns the world.

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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2005, 02:53:51 AM »
They will both be fading memories in 5 years time when the Moller Air Car has taken over all significant manufacturing sectors of the transportation markets.
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2005, 02:56:57 AM »
I don't see Boeing as a failing company either. (SMD Grun) I do see them as a company falling behind the competition much like US automakers did in the 70's. Perhaps it's time to reevaluate just like those automakers did and adapt to the new market.
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2005, 05:04:02 AM »
Competition is good for consumers..mmm k?
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2005, 05:48:45 AM »
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I don't see Boeing as a failing company either. (SMD Grun) I do see them as a company falling behind the competition much like US automakers did in the 70's. Perhaps it's time to reevaluate just like those automakers did and adapt to the new market.


Pssst.... think 7E7
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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2005, 11:46:57 AM »
As an layed off Boeing worker, this is bad news. Boeing should been in recovery by now. 9/11 hit them hard. But it's all managements fault. But then they have old McDounald Ex's now running the company. They could care less about the commuerional bussiness. Space and Defense is all they see.
Don't think I'll get my job back. Now DOD is talking of cutting back on orders for the F-22 and F35. And there hasn't been any new orders for F-16s for awhile now. Lockheed is going to give out 200 layoff notices in a few days. I'm now starting to worry a bit more about my job out look for next year.
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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2005, 11:52:16 AM »
Yep it does seem Boeing has a different attitude wrt to commercial avation, heck they even moved HQ away from Seattle in part to emphasize the change...
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2005, 01:31:16 PM »
folks, just wait and see the M400 (millitary version of A380)! :aok
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