Flying at 20k

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by rshubert
 They didn't deliberatiely go into situations where they were very likely (note LIKELY) to get killed.  

 Hmmmmmm .... ..... So your post in the other thread trying to justifiy your Kamakazee missions is based on fiction instead of the tribute you expalined?

[BUG_EAF322]

What next? It's starting to look like WW2 in here!

[1Klink]

It comes down to one thing and one thing only.

Each individual person pays thier 15$.

Until any of you start paying the other person's 15$,then u can tell them what to do in this GAME called Aces High!:aok

[nopoop]

Originally posted by rshubert
They didn't deliberatiely go into situations where they were very likely (note LIKELY) to get killed

They were ORDERED too.

I find it interesting as to how a virtual flyer here, in trying to emulate, or get a feeling of emersion in a historical since of "what it was really like" in this game makes a statement like that.

Any pilot in their right mind when givin orders in the REAL world of the big W if givin the choice WOULDN'T HAVE GONE.

As a tribute to that reality, I always go where my virtual life is a balancing act. Probabilities of my survival are a toss-up.

They were ordered to places where "playing it safe" was laughable/impossible.

...but "playing it safe" which was not an option then is done here as a practice with heads held high in the nobleness of the historical experience.

That is pap.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Hmmmmmm .... ..... So your post in the other thread trying to justifiy your Kamakazee missions is based on fiction instead of the tribute you expalined?

Don't be an ass.  That's a special case, and you know it.  How many German kamikazes were there?  Or English, or...

And the "tribute" bit is an example of irony, btw.  Nothing I have said is inconsistent with my position that there are many, many ways to play this game.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by nopoop
They were ORDERED too.

I find it interesting as to how a virtual flyer here, in trying to emulate, or get a feeling of emersion in a historical since of "what it was really like" in this game makes a statement like that.

Any pilot in their right mind when givin orders in the REAL world of the big W if givin the choice WOULDN'T HAVE GONE.

As a tribute to that reality, I always go where my virtual life is a balancing act. Probabilities of my survival are a toss-up.

They were ordered to places where "playing it safe" was laughable/impossible.

...but "playing it safe" which was not an option then is done here as a practice with heads held high in the nobleness of the historical experience.

That is pap.

I'm not trying to get immersion into WW2 air combat.  Are you?  I'm playing an enjoyable game.  

 And do you really think that pilots were ordered to go into situations where they had a small chance of survival?  The US 8th AF stopped deep penetration missions when the casualties rose to 10%.  The Luftwaffe switched to night bombing when their casualties became unsustainable.  There were 36000 or so Bf-109s built from 1938 to 1945.  I'll bet we lost more than that last month, though I haven't checked.

Get a grip.  With the exception of kamikazes, NOBODY flew to die in WW2, or any other conflict.  If the tables turned, THEY RAN LIKE LITTLE GIRLS.  Were they cowards?  I don't think so.  Did they abandon their comrades?  Their comrade was running along side them.

Patton said it best:  It is not your job to die for your country, it is your job to make the other poor bast*** die for HIS country.

[mars01]

And do you really think that pilots were ordered to go into situations where they had a small chance of survival? The US 8th AF stopped deep penetration missions when the casualties rose to 10%. The Luftwaffe switched to night bombing when their casualties became unsustainable. There were 36000 or so Bf-109s built from 1938 to 1945. I'll bet we lost more than that last month, though I haven't checked.

Yoiur completely wrong Hubert - Read the Book Fighter Boys about the Battle of Brittian.  Those guys constantly flew into unsurmountable odds and many lost their lives.  They did not fly safe and most of the time flew strait into the German hordes.

No they did not fly to die, but none of them thought about dying while they were fighting.  Many recount their first combat expieriance.   As soon as they realized the neat puffy trails were tracers being shot at them they went throught a few split seconds of numbing debilitating fear replaced by shear survival instinct and none of the accounts started with running.  Most of them fought it out to the death.

Nopoop is right.  They didn't pick and choose the safests fights etc, they were told to intercept, interdict, attack and they did not thinking of anyhting else except those orders.

Now on the other hand if you take the French maybe they did.  During the battle for France and the witdraw at Dunkirk, the brits had mentioned that the French Air forces didn't even up half the time and stayed on the ground.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by mars01
Yoiur completely wrong Hubert - Read the Book Fighter Boys about the Battle of Brittian.  Those guys constantly flew into unsurmountable odds and many lost their lives.  They did not fly safe and most of the time flew strait into the German hordes.

No they did not fly to die, but none of them thought about dying while they were fighting.  Many recount their first combat expieriance.   As soon as they realized the neat puffy trails were tracers being shot at them they went throught a few split seconds of numbing debilitating fear replaced by shear survival instinct and none of the accounts started with running.  Most of them fought it out to the death.

Nopoop is right.  They didn't pick and choose the safests fights etc, they were told to intercept, interdict, attack and they did not thinking of anyhting else except those orders.

Now on the other hand if you take the French maybe they did.  During the battle for France and the witdraw at Dunkirk, the brits had mentioned that the French Air forces didn't even up half the time and stayed on the ground.

They flew smart, and flew to live.

[mars01]

They flew smart, and flew to live.

Your wrong and many of the books that I have read about combat in WWII prove you wrong.  Nice fantasy tho.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by rshubert
Don't be an ass.  That's a special case, and you know it.  How many German kamikazes were there?  Or English, or...

And the "tribute" bit is an example of irony, btw.  Nothing I have said is inconsistent with my position that there are many, many ways to play this game.

  I think that position is already occupied by you. Well at least your assuming the position.

  A special case? Hmmmmm....well golly gee darn, you didn`t say it was a special case.

  As for the tribute part.... So it`s irony. In other words you actualy don`t hold any regard for what these pilots did for their country by giving up the lives and are simply trying to degrade them with the "Clown Cars" missions? Is that right? Your not being too clear. Here we call it dancing the dance.

[streetstang]

Morpheus is a prime example. Remember how you played before the DA Morph? Once he realized what he was really missing it was a total revalation for him. As it was for me a year or two earler

Yeah, not much I can really say. I was lucky enough to meet the best at the best time and have him willing to teach me.

You were untouchable man. You still can be if you'd stick around!

Forgeetabout IL2FB/IB/FGH/HY/VB///http/www.aceshighownsIL2.com and stick around!

I think I should send you the film of us winging in that furball. Man, the quotes I have from you... I couldnt stop laughing.