Federal Judges are stupid idiots

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by SaburoS
What about the whiney, conservative pansies that "bi*ch" and moan about it?

well we are right of course. Show me a well documented study Proving evolution to be anything other than a theory and I will recant my words.

Of course no one worries about offending christians.....just muslims, terrorists suspects, and minorities.  teaching something that may be outright contradictory to somones religious beleifs as fact to me is wrong.

in addition the only one here being unconstitutional here is the judge.  He's the only one mentioning religion.

[JB73]

i knew there was a reason i liked you gunslinger, and kept you off "ingore"


LOL

[weaselsan]

Originally posted by Sandman
What is the alternative to evolution?



Wait for it...



CREATION.

Creation by an Alien life form....such as humans in the future seeding distant planets to produce life....more logical than  complicated life forms springing from a primordial soup, that tells me that it is possible for a tornado to blow through a junk yard and assemble a complete 747....because all the raw materials are there. Just have to have the tornado twist in the right direction the right number of times.

Wait a minute that would make us a Creator " a GOD" to bad if that ever happened they may not be able to teach the truth.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by weaselsan
Creation by an Alien life form....such as humans in the future seeding distant planets to produce life....more logical than  complicated life forms springing from a primordial soup, that tells me that it is possible for a tornado to blow through a junk yard and assemble a complete 747....because all the raw materials are there. Just have to have the tornado twist in the right direction the right number of times.

well said weaselsan,

I was listening to the radio a month ago about a scientist who was working on theories.  He came up with the mathamatical probability for the creation of life and he was astounded.  So much so that it shook his atheism to its core.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
well we are right of course.  Show me a well documented study Proving evolution to be anything other than a theory and I will recant my words.

Of course no one worries about offending christians.....just muslims, terrorists suspects, and minorities.  teaching something that may be outright contradictory to somones religious beleifs as fact to me is wrong.

in addition the only one here being unconstitutional here is the judge.  He's the only one mentioning religion.

Evolution is a scientific theory (regarding macro-evolution) but fact for micro-evolution. It's only a matter of time before we unlock all of life's mysteries.
Fact is, religion isn't even a theory. It's based on faith. There is no scientific data that shows creationism as even possible.
Funny how you want to tilt the argument where you demand proof of your opposition, yet you fail to furnish yours.
I have yet to see any proof of:
1) The existence of a supreme being.
2) Creationism

Having said that, I am not about to insult you or anyone else with religious beliefs as it is a noble and very personal thing.
I have zero rights to interfere with how/who/what you want to believe in, just as you shouldn't be meddling in my personal (belief based) affairs.

Prove creationism does exist so it cancels out any argument of macro-evolution and you'll be world famous. If it is the truth, I'd be happy to see our laws of church and state seperation being overturned.

[weaselsan]

Originally posted by SaburoS
Evolution is a scientific theory (regarding macro-evolution) but fact for micro-evolution. It's only a matter of time before we unlock all of life's mysteries.
Fact is, religion isn't even a theory. It's based on faith. There is no scientific data that shows creationism as even possible.
Funny how you want to tilt the argument where you demand proof of your opposition, yet you fail to furnish yours.
I have yet to see any proof of:
1) The existence of a supreme being.
2) Creationism

Having said that, I am not about to insult you or anyone else with religious beliefs as it is a noble and very personal thing.
I have zero rights to interfere with how/who/what you want to believe in, just as you shouldn't be meddling in my personal (belief based) affairs.

Prove creationism does exist so it cancels out any argument of macro-evolution and you'll be world famous. If it is the truth, I'd be happy to see our laws of church and state seperation being overturned.

Law's of Church and State separation???? Help me out a little on that will ya. I find a few old left wing farts that where judges rule on something like that, but no laws. Of course a few years before that a few old racist farts ruled that seperate and equal was constitutional....they where wrong too.

[SOB]

See the link in Samiam's post.  Would you care to explain why, out of all of the material in the book, evolution is being targeted?  The answer is obvious, but I don't expect you to admit it.  And not suprisingly, you seem to have gleemed over the part in the article that explains why the stickers were on the books in the first place.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by SaburoS
Evolution is a scientific theory (regarding macro-evolution) but fact for micro-evolution. It's only a matter of time before we unlock all of life's mysteries.
Fact is, religion isn't even a theory. It's based on faith. There is no scientific data that shows creationism as even possible.
Funny how you want to tilt the argument where you demand proof of your opposition, yet you fail to furnish yours.
I have yet to see any proof of:
1) The existence of a supreme being.
2) Creationism

Having said that, I am not about to insult you or anyone else with religious beliefs as it is a noble and very personal thing.
I have zero rights to interfere with how/who/what you want to believe in, just as you shouldn't be meddling in my personal (belief based) affairs.

Prove creationism does exist so it cancels out any argument of macro-evolution and you'll be world famous. If it is the truth, I'd be happy to see our laws of church and state seperation being overturned.

Prove that julious ceaser existed.....prove that king tut existed.....just the same, other than historical text you cant prove these people actually existed.  But as far as creationism goes the stickers are not arguing that as theory or fact BUT creationism is in fact a theory.  You can't prove that creationism is false just as you cannot yet prove that evolution is true.

All these stickers are doing is apeasing parents that want their children to keep an open mind about the creation of all things living.  In addition the stickers also serve the purpose of telling kids in highly religous areas that what they believe may be wrong and this may be right because it is in FACT a THEORY and that they need to keep an open mind.

To stay on subject here saying this is endorsment of religion by govt is ludicris at best.  You would think in our warning label society that this would be met with open arms by all sides concerned considering that this is a sticky subject in some areas of the country.  

so what did come first....the chicken or the egg.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Gunslinger

Of course no one worries about offending christians.....just muslims, terrorists suspects, and minorities.  teaching something that may be outright contradictory to somones religious beleifs as fact to me is wrong.
 

Gunny,
I would be first in line to defend govt intrusion into (noncriminal) church affairs. I would object to our govt taxing and or forcing evolutionist teachings onto organized religions. Even if it became irrefutable fact of macro evoluton did/does happen and creationism didn't happen, I would still object to our govt. breaking the Separation of Church and State.
Our govt isn't against religious teachings as that is what private places of worship is all about (tax-exempt). What makes our democarcy so special and unique is how we protect everyone's privacy and beliefs. Because our public schools rely on taxation to function, they become a part of govt. To allow any forms of religious teachings/doctrine as standard into public schools, breaks that Separation of Church and State.

[Samiam]

Methinks people get hung-up on the word "theory" which in the scientific community means something quite different than in CSI:Miami.

A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.

In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.

[weaselsan]

Originally posted by SOB
See the link in Samiam's post.  Would you care to explain why, out of all of the material in the book, evolution is being targeted?  The answer is obvious, but I don't expect you to admit it.  And not suprisingly, you seem to have gleemed over the part in the article that explains why the stickers were on the books in the first place.

The material you speak of "Evolution" is a theory. But was not mentioned as a theory in the science book. IT IS A THEORY. Creation is not mentioned as another THEORY. It is possible that life was seeded on the Earth by another life form or if you wish to call it...A creator. How that seeding may have occured is open to speculation...the same as the primordial soup non-sense.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Samiam
Methinks people get hung-up on the word "theory" which in the scientific community means something quite different than in CSI:Miami.

so a "theory's" arent ever proven wrong because they are in fact true?  Theorys never have contrary Theorys wich might also be correct?

So in theory a 747 can be assembled in a junk yard full of parts by a tornado with the right wind gusts of course.  Since that's a known scientific fact that means its happend befor or bound to happen in the future?

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
prove that king tut existed.....just the same, other than historical text you cant prove these people actually existed.  

So his tomb exhibit with his remains is just a govt conspiracy?
If it isn't King Tut, who is it?

Did the dinosaurs exist?
How long has man been on this earth?

PS. Nash, something other than a gun thread that might get long

[Samiam]

Originally posted by weaselsan
The material you speak of "Evolution" is a theory. But was not mentioned as a theory in the science book. IT IS A THEORY. Creation is not mentioned as another THEORY.  

Again, "theory" carries a scientific meaning here.

Creation is not a theory. It consists of no (none, zero, zilch) hypotheses than can be proven scientifically. Creation is a belief.

Evolution is not a belief. It is a scientific theory. This theory is supported by thousands of proven and multiply verified  facts.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by SaburoS
So his tomb exhibit with his remains is just a govt conspiracy?
If it isn't King Tut, who is it?

Did the dinosaurs exist?
How long has man been on this earth?

PS. Nash, something other than a gun thread that might get long

but how do you know he really existed or if all the stuff written down about him were just myths created in historical text and inturpreted as fact.  the body might be his brother-in-law who created this myth about him.

the point is that just as you really can't prove that jesus christ and god exist you can't disprove them either.  Like king tut all we have is historical documentation to go by and our own faith.