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« Reply #435 on: January 24, 2005, 03:01:02 AM »
Go home Yanks, says PM in waiting
Hala Jaber, Baghdad


THE Shi’ite Muslim cleric tipped to become prime minister after next Sunday’s election in Iraq has said it will be the duty of the new government to demand the withdrawal of American forces “as soon as possible”.

“No people in the world accepts occupation and nor do we accept the continuation of American troops in Iraq,” said Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, leader of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq.

“We regard these forces to have committed many mistakes in the handling of various issues, the first and foremost being that of security, which in turn has contributed to the massacres, crimes and calamities that have taken place in Iraq against the Iraqis.”

In comments certain to raise eyebrows in the United States, al-Hakim spoke of a role for Iran and Syria — both regarded in Washington as enemies in the war on terror — along with Iraq’s other neighbours, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Kuwait, in the security of the country.

“These countries have past experiences and good security forces and with good relations we can solve this problem together,” he said.

“Should the security problem continue, it will not end at the border of Iraq but extend to their countries.”

Al-Hakim, who heads a list of 228 candidates representing the United Iraqi Alliance — a coalition of the main Shi’ite factions — refused to be drawn into specifying a timetable for American withdrawal, saying that the details had to be worked out after the election.

However, speaking slowly and emphatically, he added: “Iraq can rely on itself and its people and it does not want foreign troops in its country.”

President George W Bush’s administration has said that an Iraqi request for the removal of the 173,000 American and other foreign troops in the country would be honoured but declined to give any indication of timing.

Britain does not want to keep troops in Iraq for “a moment longer than we need to”, the Foreign Office said yesterday. “It’s a matter of staying sufficiently long for the Iraqis to be sufficiently robust to achieve security.”

The powerful alliance headed by al-Hakim was formed on the initiative of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, Iraq’s most revered spiritual leader. It is expected to win a majority of seats in the 275-member transitional national assembly, from which the prime minister will be chosen.

The election is being boycotted by most Sunni political parties, both secular and religious. Although outnumbered by the Shi’ite majority, the Sunnis dominated Iraq under Saddam Hussein but will emerge from the election with their influence sharply reduced.

Bush has heralded the election as the first test of his hopes for the spread of democracy to the Middle East but the administration appears increasingly concerned about the Shi’ite-dominated government that it is now expected to produce.

Further cause for pessimism has emerged with an American intelligence report warning that the elections will be followed by more violence, with an increased likelihood of clashes between Shi’ites and Sunnis that could lead to civil war.

It is all a far cry from Bush’s earlier vision of a secular Iraq that would become a crucial ally in the Middle East. likely iraqi pm says us should get out quickly
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« Reply #436 on: January 24, 2005, 03:15:12 AM »
Al-Hakim

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Dos´nt sound promissing JB88

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« Reply #437 on: January 24, 2005, 03:22:44 AM »
oh, whats that word in movies...foreshadowing?
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« Reply #438 on: January 24, 2005, 03:38:01 AM »
The whole situation somehow reminded me about the Russian "freedom-fighters" who assasinated the  Emperor of Russia in XIX century.
Do you know who happened to become the head of the Russian state afterwards ?
You would not believe it, but it was another Emperor of Russia ! :rofl :rolleyes:

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« Reply #439 on: January 24, 2005, 04:49:36 PM »
i was just thinking about how crappy it would be if we spent all time, energy and manpower/life to take the country only to be asked to leave without so much as a guarantee of a lucrative oil contract.

i wonder if jesus is wandering around in pilat land over there again....hmmm.
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« Reply #440 on: January 24, 2005, 05:00:10 PM »
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i was just thinking about how crappy it would be if we spent all time, energy and manpower/life to take the country only to be asked to leave without so much as a guarantee of a lucrative oil contract.

i wonder if jesus is wandering around in pilat land over there again....hmmm.


Well JB88, then we have to start to discuss the real reasons for invading again.

According to most peole here, the sacrifice was done, to give the poor Iraqs freedom and to remove Saddam.
Nothing to do with oil at all, just for to gaurantee peace in the middle east and to share the bigest of gifts USA have to offer: Democracy.

I really doubt that Americans think it was worth the death of atleast 1400 US soldiers and about 300 billion dollars of taxmoney, (and to rebuild the country for damages done, another 300 billion, making it 600 billion. No wonder they will need to cut back on SS)....but, hey, thats just me

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« Reply #441 on: January 24, 2005, 05:42:16 PM »
colonialism just aint what it used to be eh?
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« Reply #442 on: January 24, 2005, 05:47:51 PM »
the latest news.  80 billion more for iraq...

Bush to Seek About $80 Bln for Military Operations
Mon Jan 24, 2005 04:02 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration plans to announce as early as Tuesday that it will seek about $80 billion in new funding for military operations this year in Iraq and Afghanistan, administration and congressional sources said on Monday.

The new supplemental budget request would come on top of the $25 billion in emergency spending already approved for the current fiscal year, and will push total 2005 funding for military operations and equipment close to a record $105 billion, the sources said on Monday.

Up to $650 million is expected to be included in the package to fund humanitarian aid, reconstruction efforts and military operations in Asian countries devastated by last month's tsunami, congressional aides said.



- reuters
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« Reply #443 on: January 24, 2005, 05:54:07 PM »
105 billion makes 650 million look cheap. I really wish bush would have pledged 1 billion when the tsunami first happened. I think it would have helped restore our image at least a little bit. I guess it costs more to kill people than help them.

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« Reply #444 on: January 24, 2005, 06:05:26 PM »
guess you gotta spend money to waste it.
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Re: "elections" & Al-Hakim
« Reply #445 on: January 24, 2005, 07:59:23 PM »
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Originally posted by genozaur
The whole situation somehow reminded me about the Russian "freedom-fighters" who assasinated the  Emperor of Russia in XIX century.
Do you know who happened to become the head of the Russian state afterwards ?
You would not believe it, but it was another Emperor of Russia ! :rofl :rolleyes:


Only this time genozaur.....the people will be voting in a new government. The people will only have themselves to blame if they vote in another dictator or anyone who oppresses them in any way.

The Iraqis have an opportunity here, we'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out :)
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« Reply #446 on: January 25, 2005, 03:43:20 AM »
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I would like that very much. UN Peacekeeping. That means none of our troops are dieing in that country and having to listen to certain elements here do nothing but have contempt for them.

Let the UN be the security force there. Let the UN get a coalition of whoever they want to be Iraqi security forces.


You went in against UN's will and now when You're in deep watermelon youd like UN to come and pull you out? Are you stupid or something ?

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« Reply #447 on: January 25, 2005, 10:53:15 AM »
Pretty sure most U.N. troops are from the U.S.

Not all But MOST

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« Reply #448 on: January 25, 2005, 11:33:48 AM »
Boy you couldn't be more wrong...

Troops including civilian polices, military polices and troops Dec 2004:

Pakistan 8140
Bangladesh 8024
USA 429


Good guess anyways.
btw it took about 5mins to look out that data from http://www.un.org

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