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« Reply #390 on: January 23, 2005, 09:35:40 PM »
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Well, gee, that's great.


Sorry Nash if my answer wasnt what ya were looking for.:)
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« Reply #391 on: January 23, 2005, 09:38:08 PM »
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Btw...who is monitoring this election?


No one, really, as they are not allowed or do not dare to enter into the country. There are 700 guys monitoring it from Jordanian territory, or if it was 7000. I dont remember, UN I suppose.

To me, its the same as non monitored if monitored from another country.


Edit: Journalist are not allowed either.

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« Reply #392 on: January 23, 2005, 09:41:38 PM »
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Sorry Nash if my answer wasnt what ya were looking for.:)


I just don't know what the imperative is in having to think that your country is "the greatest".

Just not sure why that matters.

But I do know a lotta guys in prison who get their tulips kicked for just that brand of 'world vision', if you get my drift.

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« Reply #393 on: January 23, 2005, 10:15:39 PM »
NUKE:

Even the adult question wasn't sarcastic. I just don't have an image of who you are and your life experiences, thats all.

I'm in my fifties and have lived in the D.C. area, Atlanta, Chicago, Florida and New Mexico. Been to all 50 states at least once. in case you may have thought otherwise, I am actually very conservative politically (some friends think I'm slightly right of Atilla the Hun), but I prefer to to call myself a 'practical capitalist' or a 'fundamentalist.'

I made those terms up because I feel many have stolen the good name of my 'conservatism' to try to make a silk purse out a radical's ear.

I describe my brand of conservativism (briefly) as this:

1. Support the ideals and defend the common sense principles of the U.S. Constitution - a pretty good document written by some pretty smart guys who knew that even they should not be trusted by the people to always act in their best interest.

2. I believe that freedom of the press isn't free - it comes with an obligation to tell and find out the truth, even if the truth isn't what we want to hear, isn't pretty or makes us cringe or embarrassed as a people.

3. I believe in free enterprise and free markets. I believe that as markets become more free in any nation, the less power any government holds over the people. I run a business and I will gladly pay the salary of 5 people to any man who can take a message to Garcia.

There's more, but that's enough. All else is the world is situational ethics to me.

I just wonder about your view that others in the world do not enjoy personal freedom comparable to those enjoyed in America.

I don't deny that Americans are free. I am not convinced that they are not losing their freedoms though. Freedom is not just what you can do, but what you are free from also. For example, the freedom to walk or drive anywhere at night, unmolested and free from fear, is just as important as the freedom to choose where I want to live.

Do you think that America is really so far above so many other nations in personal freedom?

Being a rational kind of guy, I was wondering how many other countries you have lived in? Not visited, but lived in.

I've visited maybe 18 countries, but I've lived in 3 countries for longer than 5 years each and I've never felt that I was deprived of any freedom in the countries I have lived in. Never even thought about it.

Do you have some specific example of personal freedoms you can list that perhaps other 1st world democracies do not offer?

I guess that's about it and I apologize for being long-winded. Thanks for your patience.
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« Reply #394 on: January 23, 2005, 10:18:49 PM »
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Thanks for your patience.


Hell no. A good read.

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« Reply #395 on: January 23, 2005, 10:43:57 PM »
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I run a business and I will gladly pay the salary of 5 people to any man who can take a message to Garcia.



Ok, give me his adress and the message.

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« Reply #396 on: January 23, 2005, 10:53:31 PM »
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Do you think that America is really so far above so many other nations in personal freedom?

Being a rational kind of guy, I was wondering how many other countries you have lived in? Not visited, but lived in.

I've visited maybe 18 countries, but I've lived in 3 countries for longer than 5 years each and I've never felt that I was deprived of any freedom in the countries I have lived in. Never even thought about it.

Do you have some specific example of personal freedoms you can list that perhaps other 1st world democracies do not offer?

 


1. I have NEVER stated or believed that America is above any other nation in personal freedom....although now that you mention it....we have more personal freedom than those in China.

2. I have never lived outside the United States.

3. As I have said....I have never said that the US has more personal freedoms than any other nation........

What else would you like to ask me?

Oh, I'm 40 years old.

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« Reply #397 on: January 23, 2005, 10:57:59 PM »
So then, you don't know jack watermelon it turns out.

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« Reply #398 on: January 23, 2005, 10:58:52 PM »
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So then, you don't know jack watermelon it turns out.


What do you mean?

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« Reply #399 on: January 23, 2005, 10:59:56 PM »
Eh... just wanted to say something controversial. Heh.

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« Reply #400 on: January 23, 2005, 11:01:28 PM »
Nash, I really like and respect you....and I'm not just kidding.

I am what I am....I try to be honest with everyone.

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« Reply #401 on: January 23, 2005, 11:03:11 PM »
You may be honest with us. I agree. But you are not honest with yourself.

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« Reply #402 on: January 23, 2005, 11:04:16 PM »
Oh, but I am more than you know.

What do you mean? I'll answer any question.

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« Reply #403 on: January 23, 2005, 11:05:24 PM »
I learned to be honest after I thought I was going to die when I had cancer.

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« Reply #404 on: January 23, 2005, 11:05:35 PM »
You know what I'm talking about.

Aint no BBS gonna clean it up.