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Offline JB88

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« Reply #60 on: January 14, 2005, 07:37:35 PM »
not excusing it.

but im not holding a modern standard to a colonial man either.
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« Reply #61 on: January 14, 2005, 07:47:01 PM »
i can understand the arguemfent, but for me it has most to do with his many interests and inventions.  i would certainly rank him as one of the greatest founding fathers none the less.  i  happen to feel that his spirit lies deep in the foundation of this land.

he was an idea man and many of his ideas were implimented.  

i have just always appreciated jefferson.

sue me.
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« Reply #62 on: January 14, 2005, 07:47:03 PM »
Yea but since John Wayne Gacy thought it was OK to kill little boys then it was OK? HUH? Right? HUh?

Jeeeez laser, yer makin me look downright moderate.
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« Reply #63 on: January 14, 2005, 07:47:58 PM »
Exactly JB88. Slaver is still wrong.

Judging him for modern day beliefs is not right. If you judge him, you should judge him in his time period.

Laser- Heres an example of my point.  You have a beer every once in awhile. Maybe, in 200 years you may have lead to something great, or are looked upon by family members in the future. Then drinking is illegal and aganst the beliefs of humankind. They judge you based upon their beleifs at that time, not of the beliefs of your time, and your personel history is scarred by it. Get it ?
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« Reply #64 on: January 14, 2005, 07:48:30 PM »
Cleavon Little
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« Reply #65 on: January 14, 2005, 07:50:59 PM »
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« Reply #66 on: January 14, 2005, 07:57:12 PM »
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Exactly JB88. Slaver is still wonrg.


i have been wonrg about many things.  

slavery as a principle is WRONG.

george had slaves to.
so did twelve other presidents.
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« Reply #67 on: January 14, 2005, 07:58:42 PM »
Unlike throwing Jews into Ovens, or whipping slaves, drinking a beer responsibly can only hurt the person who does it.
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« Reply #68 on: January 14, 2005, 08:00:11 PM »
(shakes head)
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« Reply #69 on: January 14, 2005, 08:02:01 PM »
what do you mean blueness?

anal about what?
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« Reply #70 on: January 14, 2005, 08:05:46 PM »
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no way desi arnaz was a greater american than cleavon little.  I don't care how much lucy poosie he got.  :D
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« Reply #71 on: January 14, 2005, 08:06:58 PM »
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Unlike throwing Jews into Ovens, or whipping slaves, drinking a beer responsibly can only hurt the person who does it.


That wasnt his point :)

The idea that slavery is wrong is a relatively new idea to mankind. Slavery existed as an institution for thousands and thousands of years. Caesar, after his campaign in Gaul, bragged that there were a million dead and a million more enslaved. Rome is looked upon as the greatest empire in human history. No one says, Well, Rome had slaves, so their entire civilization doesnt count.

His example with alcohol is just that, an example.
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« Reply #72 on: January 14, 2005, 08:08:59 PM »
okay.  let me rethink this.

okay.  founding fathers,..defnatley jeffy boy.

all of american history>

kenned when he spoke.  it could move mountains, i think he defined the dream of america in a way that i havent seen anywhere else.

teddy roosevelt for environmental and rugged individualism.

fdr, for the war and a depression.

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hmmmmm.....which.  

oh screw it.  

mickey mouse.
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« Reply #73 on: January 14, 2005, 08:09:26 PM »
laser-Your trying to argue that Slavery is wrong and the Nazi killing of millions is wrong.

I agree completly. No question about it. IT IS WRONG, SHOULD NOT BE DONE.

Your also saying Jefferson was wrong in owning slaves.

Judging him through the modern day view, Yes he was.

Judging him through the time period he existed in, which is the way we should judge his accomplishments.
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« Reply #74 on: January 14, 2005, 08:17:00 PM »
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laser-Your trying to argue that Slavery is wrong and the Nazi killing of millions is wrong.

I agree completly. No question about it. IT IS WRONG, SHOULD NOT BE DONE.

Your also saying Jefferson was wrong in owning slaves.

Judging him through the modern day view, Yes he was.

Judging him through the time period he existed in, which is the way we should judge his accomplishments.


exactly.  besides, jefferson didnt invent the evil, it was resident.  

it took catholics and nazis to invent new forms of wicked bad.
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