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Staga · « **Reply #90 on:** January 17, 2005, 11:11:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Crumpp
Guess England had to choose between Germany and destruction.

Your correct that Finland had some tough choices to make. I am sure it was comforting to the Jews being packed off to concentration camps that it was all in the name of Finlands independance.

Crumpp

Crump; I did some researching for you; you can thank me later

http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/pages/t021/t02183.html

Crumpp · « **Reply #91 on:** January 17, 2005, 11:13:31 AM »

I retracted that part Staga. You were a little quick on the reply.

However the claims I am making are NO DIFFERENT from the ones you are making in this thread.

Facts are:

Finland was an Axis Nation.

Finland fought for the Nazi's in organized Finnish units under NAZI control.

Jews were deported out of Finland to the concentration camps.

It's all the truth. It's just how you wish to present it. It can be representative of your country and it's people or it can paint a warped picture using the facts.

There are a lot of folks who love to do the same exact thing to the United States over the actions of a few.

Crumpp

patrone · « **Reply #92 on:** January 17, 2005, 11:14:10 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz

Guys, I see no reason why we should continue this "discussion". Crumpp has shown himself to be a liar. His words are worthless.

I totaly agree with you G.

But guys, make sure to tell people about the FW 190 book he is supposed to be writting, ok?

Crumpp · « **Reply #93 on:** January 17, 2005, 11:16:51 AM »

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FINLAND: Republic in Northern Europe. There were 2,000 Jews in Finland between the two world wars. During World War II, the Finns fought the Russians, alongside the Germans. Despite strong German pressure, the Finns refused to enforce anti-Jewish legislation. Jewish refugees were deported from Finland.

Nice. You just packed them off to be slaughtered in the concentration camps.

Finland did not enforce the laws in it's own territory when the Germans were not looking. Rather than stand up to the tyranny you just shipped them off.

Exactly what the sites I posted say.

Crumpp

airguard · « **Reply #94 on:** January 17, 2005, 11:17:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Crumpp
China refers to length of time in combat between an allied and axis nation. Not to fighting Germany.

It seems Norway does have a whole four day lead on the rest of the low countries. The German forces in Denmark and Holland surrendered on 4 May and Norway held out until the 8th!!

To characterize Norway as "fighting" though is very misleading.

Norway fought by a small resistance movement. So a small percentage of the Norwegien population fought and a greater percentage helped out in non-combat service support functions as member of the auxillery or underground. Risky but not combat. The underground being expecially risky.

At least as many just existed and some even actively helped the Axis.

Here is a quick overview of the different resistance movements and their contribution to the allied war effort.

http://histclo.hispeed.com/essay/war/ww2/res/res-cou.html

http://www.feldgrau.com/a-norway.html

Crumpp

I dont think you have the clue just helping was risky enough, you got shot for that. The resistance was over 400 000 (active) 2.1 mill passive) but only 20 % had guns so they did their best the way they could making illegal papers etc... lots of other things too.
so what do you suggest ? (guerss you are the kinda guy starting trowing stones vs machineguns) ? they did the best they could, and youre talking about your allied as they should be morons, think otherwise.
And anyway the kept 300 000 Germans held up in Norway under the war that helps too.

beside you forgot this from your clip out:

Norway
The Norwegian resistance played an important role in disruoting the German atomic bomb program. Norway was an important source of heavy water. The Norwegian resistance also succeeded in saving most of the country's Jews from the Holocaust.

straffo · « **Reply #95 on:** January 17, 2005, 11:17:40 AM »

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Originally posted by patrone
Shhhhh....................Straffo!!!

Dont mention to him that the "neutral" Sweden sat on its fat ***
during the whole WWII selling ore/ballbearings to both sides.

That's not what I implied

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To tell you the truth, I am very grateful to our goverment during that time: They managed to keep us out of it. We would´nt been able to defend ourselfs, really. [/B]

I agree.

Crumpp · « **Reply #96 on:** January 17, 2005, 11:24:58 AM »

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I dont think you have the clue just helping was risky enough, you got shot for that. The resistance was over 400 000 (active) 2.1 mill passive) but only 20 % had guns so they did their best the way they could making illegal papers etc... lots of other things too.

The Auxillery and Underground were included in my post.

Crumpp

Staga · « **Reply #97 on:** January 17, 2005, 11:25:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Crumpp
Nice. You just packed them off to be slaughtered in the concentration camps.

Finland did not enforce the laws in it's own territory when the Germans were not looking. Rather than stand up to the tyranny you just shipped them off.

Exactly what the sites I posted say.

Crumpp

Wanna tell us about SS St.Louis? Do you know how many refugees were given Finnish citizenship? Do you know how many jews were dispossessed from Finland?

I don't think your hole is deep enough; better keep on digging

airguard · « **Reply #98 on:** January 17, 2005, 11:27:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Crumpp
The Auxillery and Underground were included in my post.

Crumpp

Are you a old nazi or a youngster ?

read your own stuff mate

Crumpp · « **Reply #99 on:** January 17, 2005, 11:31:40 AM »

Norway did not save MOST of their Jewish population. Brave countries like Denmark saved 80 percent of their population. Norway managed to hide half. The other half were shipped off to death camps or executed in country.

The Norwegien resistance helped the SOE/OSS destroy the heavy water plants.

Those operations were NOT Norwegien resistance conducted. The allies directed the attacks, organized them, equipped them, and conducted them. Without that support and guidence, those attacks would have never occurred.

You guys think you have license to run rampant with the facts about anything the US does...How does it feel?

Crumpp

patrone · « **Reply #100 on:** January 17, 2005, 11:38:01 AM »

Back to the original thread.

How come no one of this punks superior officers wasnt brought to justice?

Because the thread would be leading up, and up and up, hitting the very topman, the guy that rule your country.

And calling the beheadings "Cia snuffvideos", have you seen them? Now I ask you, where is the blood?

And is´nt it strange that it all accured at the same time as Abu Ghraib was in focus?

And what a coincident, that this "Nick berger" appears in the Moore movie?
Can anyone tell me his buisness in Iraq? Was he just a "backpacker" who wanted a closer look at the war?

I will never buy this "beheading" story, neither that or the ones after, sorry.

airguard · « **Reply #101 on:** January 17, 2005, 11:40:21 AM »

good luck further in your life, I hope you try to educate youreselve better, and dont keep on standing on falling grounds.

not you patrone, but crumps

Fishu · « **Reply #102 on:** January 17, 2005, 11:43:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Crumpp
Finland even had their own SS Battalion.

I've read couple books about it.
It was not Finland's "SS batallion", more accurate said there was no finnish SS batallion.

There was finnish Waffen-SS troops however. Theres a big difference between the activities of the SS and the Waffen-SS.
The finnish Waffen-SS soldiers fought just like the others and had no part in any of the attrocities.

I do have a respect for these guys, since they're nothing to be ashamed of. They fought against russians like any other finn in the finnish army and nothing more.
Might have something to do with the fact I do know more about it than you do, with your basic assumptions.

If you do think bad of these finnish troops, then you should be just as well think bad of your own army. They were soldiers like yours.

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They did apply Nazi doctrine in Finland Straffo. Look down the page at the breakdown of jews killed by country in paragraph 4:

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Let's see.. it estimates there was about 2000 jews at the time and theres a "-" in the number indicating annihilated jews.

So what was your point again?

patrone · « **Reply #103 on:** January 17, 2005, 11:47:12 AM »

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Originally posted by airguard

not you patrone, but crumps

Jag vet, nu psykar vi han lite, du vet, så här. med lite "gott" språk.
Jag kan ju skriva FW 190, han kommer att leta sig fördärvad efter översättningen. Bok kan också vara ett bra ord att använda.

Jag är ju lite Norsk, min Morsa är från Kragerö och resten av min Norska släkt från Larvik, Porsgrun. Var där i somras: Kanonväder!

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #104 on:** January 17, 2005, 11:59:13 AM »

holy spiteful hijacking post monkeys Batman!