This is Why Palestinians Just Throw Rocks

[parker00]

Maverick,

I agree with most of what you said, but if Israel really wanted peace then they would leave the occupied territory that they have taken away. But I do agree the fanatics are screwing things up on both sides and when I see people like storch who say crap like "they're lucky to be allowed to breathe at all." and since he doesn't state that he is only talking about the terrorist, I am assuming that he is talking about all Palestinians. Not all of them want to kill the Israeli's off.


68Parker

[Skydancer]

Bargain in good faith with immigrants to their land who stole it from them in a war. Would Americans or us Brits do that in their circumstances? I think not.

The real answer is that none of it is any good or makes any sense or has any justification. Being that the stealing of peoples land and homes, herding them into ghettos and then blasting them into submission with the most well equipped and advanced army in the Middle East  or blowing up civillians with suicide attacks.

NONE of it can be excused. But please stop talking as if one side were righteous and one were not. They are both wrong. Both need to come to the table.

As for hijacking the thread I think not. the so called comedy video was a thinly veiled racist attack on palistinians.

Now read my signature line.

PEACE. ( though not in the virtual sky )

[Staga]

IIRC rifle was some special made .600cal Nitro Express 700 big bore rifle with more power than .50cal BMG.

[straffo]

Originally posted by storch
what?  Americans and Isrealis strap explosives on and kill innocents?  really?  Do tell!!!

hmmm it's can be comparable depending on the perspective ... they strap themselves in a F16 to deliver explosives

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by parker00
Well we don't need to strap explosives, we have tanks, guns, planes, etc. They use these tactics because they have nothing else.  I'm not trying to justify what they do, but what else do they have?




68Parker

This man had a successful option.

[Maverick]

Skydancer,

Actually the Americans have done exactly that as well as the Brits. The Brits came to the US and took over parts from the first immigrants. Later a group of those immigrants started a war and kicked out the Brits. We have had several successful negotiations with the Brits, French, Spaniards, Portugese and Russians since then. The map of Europe was changed many times by war. Ask a Lithuanian or sopmeone from the Alsace area. This could go on and on. The idea that conquered territory from a war is not legitimate is hardly tennable given the history of the globe. Frankly The UN had a say in the formation of Isreal as well. It ain't an easy situation to figure out but using the tactics of terror will not likely cause the oposition to want to sit down and negotiate.

[Staga]

Originally posted by Maverick
It ain't an easy situation to figure out but using the tactics of terror will not likely cause the oposition to want to sit down and negotiate.

Yep and this goes both ways; using attack helos, missiles, MBTs and bulldozers won't help; that should be quite clear already....

[Naso]

Originally posted by Maverick
The idea that conquered territory from a war is not legitimate is hardly tennable given the history of the globe.

[paradox mode on]

So you were against the first gulf war?

Kuwait was conquered by war.

[paradox mode off]

Off course I am against aggression wars, and the first gulf war was a legitimate reaction of the "rest of the world".

The paradox is to point the double standard, of wich we (western world) are accused and hated for.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Staga
Yep and this goes both ways; using attack helos, missiles, MBTs and bulldozers won't help; that should be quite clear already....

It did not help the British at Amritsar's Jallianwala Bagh in April 1919 either.

But India had a leader that knew of a way to prevail without terrorism.

[Flyboy]

Originally posted by Skydancer
Got nothing to do with the fact they have been herded into Ghettos ( sorry territries ) walled in, made to carry passes, have had their villages and homes bulldozed, have been attacked by heavy weapons, had their country stolen from under them, and see no hope of ever getting back what they have had taken from them then?

Skydancer this a 1 sided demagogue statement, i trully hope you dont really mean that, just wanted some attention.

[parker00]

Skydancer this a 1 sided demagogue statement, i trully hope you dont really mean that, just wanted some attention.

It's not really all that one sided, it's just the other side of the argument. Almost every day in the US you hear how the palestinians did another act of terror, but you very rarely hear or even see pictures of palestinian territories that have been leveled by the Israeli's. It's not like it doesn't happen either, cause with just a little research you can find information on it just not in the mainstream media. Don't get me wrong, I am truely not trying to justify what they have or are doing when it comes to terror. But most people you talk to over here don't even realize that the Israeli's are no saints when it comes to this war. You are occupying some other nations land and won't even recognize that fact that your doing it.


68Parker

[Flyboy]

i never claimed israel is a saint.

but when you look at the current situation, and then start going back the timeline to try and understand why things look like they do today.

you will reach the following conclusion (hopefully):
the current situation (israeli occupation of so called palestinian territory) is a result of a series of conflicts, in which the arabs where the provoking side and israel responded.

if the arabs didnt turned down the UN resolution on the forming of 2 countries israel would have looked like THIS

[Gunslinger]

IIRC a hamas leader in a wheel chair was taken out last year in a precision missle strike.  He and his body guards were the only ones killed.  How this compares to blowing up busses of school children I'll never know.  In addition Israel isnt launching random rockets into palistinian territory.

Again it sickens me to see people here trying to justify terrorism.

[Yeager]

I doubt the palistinians will ever reconcile with the jews.  I suspect the jews will eventually force the palistinians into extinction by which time the larger arab/muslim world will be nuclear armed and attack isreal which will retaliate.  Other contries, christian and muslim, will force themselves into the conflagaration until all the is left is luxembourg....which will inherit the earth.

[Nashwan]

IIRC a hamas leader in a wheel chair was taken out last year in a precision missle strike. He and his body guards were the only ones killed. How this compares to blowing up busses of school children I'll never know. In addition Israel isnt launching random rockets into palistinian territory.

You also have cases like that of Iman al-Hamas (That's her surname, nothing to do with the terrorist orginisation of the same name).

She was a 13 year old schoolgirl who got too close to an Israeli military checkpoint late last year. The soldiers shot at her, she ran away, one of the soldiers was giving a running commentary on the surveillance tape, which was leaked to the Israeli press.

The conversation between the company commander (Captain R), the watchtower on the scene, and the operations room:

Watchtower: "It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward."

Operations room: "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?"

Watchtower: "A girl of about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death."

Watchtower: "I think that one of the positions took her out."

Captain R: "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."

Captain R.: "This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over."

Note that she was shot for getting too close to an Israeli security post. There was an unmarked "kill zone" around the post, which the girl wandered into. She had not crossed any barrier such as a fence.

The Israeli army launched an investigation after the shooting, and claimed that the girl had been sent by terrorists to lure troops out of the bunker so they could be shot at.  They concluded the killing was justified.

2 or 3 of the soldiers involved, who had an ongoing disciplinary dispute with their commander (Captain R), went to the press and told the actual story, which included the commander walking out of the bunker, standing over the girl, and shooting her several times at point blank range.

The IDF then launched a second inquiry, and have charged "Captain R" with illegal use of a weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer, violating rules of engagement and obstruction of justice.

He hasn't been charged with actually shooting girl, even though he has admitted doing so.

In the last 4 years, the Israeli army (and air force) has killed 204 children under the age of 13, and over 600 under the age of 18.