This is Why Palestinians Just Throw Rocks

[Flyboy]

i say we transfer all the arabs to finnland.
that way they could enjoy a true democracy.

btw staga, how many arabs\muslims are there in finnland?

[Flyboy]

Originally posted by Nashwan

Give the Palestinians land? The current issue is that Israel won't withdraw from the land they are occupying. No other country can "give" this land to the Palestinians because it's Israel occupying it.

did you know that at camp david israel offered the palestinians more then 90% of the occupied territories. (90% !!!!!) including parts of jerusalem.
and what the palestinians said? well i bet you acn guess it out

No, 50% comes from taxes levied on the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. Of the rest, as of the end of 2003, the EU had donated $280 million, Arab states $880 million and the rest of the world around $110 million.

israel supply them electricity running water and food.
much more importent them money.

[Staga]

Originally posted by Flyboy
i say we transfer all the arabs to finnland.
that way they could enjoy a true democracy.

btw staga, how many arabs\muslims are there in finnland?

I don't know nor do I care; I don't have problems with them. Muslims I've been working with are really decent, hard working guys and we have had fun at the work and especially at few cruises to Estonia.

[storch]

Originally posted by Staga
I don't know nor do I care; I don't have problems with them. Muslims I've been working with are really decent, hard working guys and we have had fun at the work and especially at few cruises to Estonia.

I agree with that statement.  We use an outfit here for our security camera work and they are all Israeli Arabs.  They are hard working and very innovative in their approach to solving sometimes challenging installations.  That has nothing to do with the situation in Israel.  That might be because we all must work to do well in a free enterprise system.  The fact is there are no "Palestinians" and there is no "Palestine".  There is however a small middle eastern country named Isreal which is populated by people of european and semitic ancestry both jewish and muslim.  There is a sector of the population in the middle east, europe and the media in the United States that has a problem accepting that fact.

why are some of you so dense?  

[Staga]

Flyboy; Israels offer in Camp Davis was a joke and had nothing to do with reality.

1. Palestinian Statehood and Conditions

    * The state would not have an army with heavy weapons,
    * The state would not make alliances with other countries without Israeli approval and would not allow introduction of foreign forces west of the River Jordan.
    * Israel would be allowed deploy troops in the Jordan Valley if Israel were to be threatened by invasion from the east.
    * Israeli aircraft could overfly  Palestinian airspace.
    * Israeli would install early warning stations in the mountains overlooking the Jordan valley and other areas.
    * Palestinians would control border crossings with Jordan and Egypt along with Israeli security observation.
    * The Israelis would retain management over water sources in the West Bank while approving a limited quota to the Palestinians.
    * Israel would lease areas in the Jordan Valley or maintain temporary sovereignty over them for up to 25 years.

http://www.mideastweb.org/campdavid2.htm


Flyboy; You and your childrens will have to live side by side with Arabs and most likely a Jewish state will cease to exist and your country transforms to a real democracy.
What do you think about that?
Wouldn't it be wise to think little farther; there's always possibility that Arabs won't be as nice to you as blacks were to boers in Southern Africa ?
Oh Israels offer in Camp David also contained "homelands" for Palestinians; surrounded by Israeli military checkpoints and connected to each other with narrow "corridors". JUst like in Southern Africa in the times of Apartheid. That system collapsed and same will happen in Israel sooner or later; it's up to you how to handle the situation.

[Staga]

About racism in Israel:

 Racist legislation    

In the summer of 2003, the Knesset promulgated a disgraceful law. The amendment to the Citizenship Law applied a sweeping prevention of unification of families and marriages between Israeli Arabs and Arabs from the region. Since the law was passed by the votes of 53 MKs - including Shinui - there has been a total halt to any requests by Israeli Arab citizens, including those who were already married and had children, to enable them to live in Israel with their relatives.
In effect, the state left its Arab citizens only one choice: to live in another country with their non-Israeli spouses. The amendment institutionalized discrimination against Arabs compared to any other non-Jewish citizen. Since it was passed, Israeli citizens could marry any non-Jew in the world and live with them in Israel, but if they married Arabs "from the region," they could not live as a family in Israel.

In the summer of 2004 the government extended the temporary amendment by six months, and this week a memo went out from the Interior Ministry ahead of a further extension. Since there have been petitions to the High Court of Justice against the law in the meantime, and the court has already hinted it will intervene if the law is extended again, the government is now trying to make the law a little more flexible to prevent the court from intervening.

According to a new, "easier" formula, a man over the age of 35 or a woman over the age of 25, already married to an Israeli, can get a permit to stay in the country for six months. The underlying assumption apparently is that people who must extend their stay in Israel every six months, and whom the law denies citizenship even if they are model residents of the country, will prefer to live elsewhere.

Once again, the government is trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the High Court, announcing that the validity of the amendment is for another year, on the assumption that the court will avoid intervening in a temporary law.

For its part, the court indeed could postpone its intervention for another year even though it convened as an extraordinary 13-member panel to consider the petitions against the law and expressed unhappiness with its content.

Before looking to the High Court to solve all problems, the challenge of annulling the racist law must be placed before two ministers with liberal outlooks: Ophir Pines-Paz in the Interior Ministry and Tzipi Livni in the Justice Ministry, the two ministries directly responsible for the legislation. Their predecessors, Yosef Lapid and Avraham Poraz, turned their backs on their liberal world views and caved in to the Shin Bet recommendations that were behind the legislation.

It should be hoped that it's not only up to the Shin Bet to decide who will fall in love with Israeli citizens and with whom Israeli citizens will be allowed to marry and start a household. The Citizenship Law in its old form allowed the state to examine closely every immigrant and anyone who wanted to settle here. The gradual naturalization process enabled the state to grant status over the course of years of temporary visitor, temporary resident and permanent resident until it granted citizenship status, and to examine each potential immigrant from every possible angle - health, criminal, security and economic - and the law allowed the state to reject requests for citizenship on a variety of grounds. The citizenship tests for non-Jews were always strict, but the new law cancels all the tests and prefers a sweeping, disproportional denial of citizenship to Arabs from outside the country. Such legal discrimination must not be allowed to continue.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/528450.html

[Staga]

Oh I forgot; There's no racism, segregation or apartheid in Israel.

[Holden McGroin]

Staga, there is racism in every society.

Apartheid however is a special case.  Apartheid had a prohibition of mixed marriage.  The Immorality act made it a criminal offense to have mixed race sex. The Reservation of Separate Amenities act was like the Jim Crow laws in the US south where blacks had to drink from different fountains than whites.  The Bantu Act suppressed the level of education blacks could obtain.

20% of the vote in Israel is Arab/Muslim.  They have representation in the Kinneset, and by your admission, their political power grows with their population. Blacks essentially could not vote under Apartheid, no matter where they lived, as their parties were banned.  Arabs have citizenship, they can eat in a restaurant next to Jews, share public transportation, go to college, etc.

[Staga]

State of Israel is practising racism very openly; just like South Africa was doing earlier.
I can't wait to see that system collapsing; I just hope something good will rise from the ruins.

Funny thing is US is shouting about democracy and free world but at the same time supports racism by using its vetoes in UN's SC.

[storch]

Originally posted by Staga
State of Israel is practising racism very openly; just like South Africa was doing earlier.
I can't wait to see that system collapsing; I just hope something good will rise from the ruins.

Funny thing is US is shouting about democracy and free world but at the same time supports racism by using its vetoes in UN's SC.

In few words please explain how you feel Isreal is practicing racism.

[Saintaw]

Originally posted by Yeager
...until all the is left is luxembourg....which will inherit the earth.

YAY! All your bases are belong to ME!

------------------------------


Uninformed question to Flyboy: If Israel was given to the Israeliites this century... when/why did they leave it in the 1st place?
Not trolling, genuine question, as i don't have a clue on the matter.

[Muckmaw1]

Which side of this conflict just committed 2 seperate acts of violence in the past few days?

Which side is showing restraint by not retaliating?

The MILITANT palestinians do not want peace with Israel.

They just proved that to me with a suicide bombing during a time when then new Pal Prime Minister is negotiating to end the conflict.

Face it. The Militant Islamic Groups like Hamas do not want peace.

Mainstream Palestinians do.

Its time they started standing up and eliminating these groups without Israel intervening.

[mosgood]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
This man had a successful option.

That man had a successful diet!

Great infomercial product......

The Gandhi diet!  Lose 20...30...40 lbs AND promote world peace!



disclaimer----  no cow was killed while creating this product.......

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by Staga
State of Israel is practising racism very openly; just like South Africa was doing earlier.
I can't wait to see that system collapsing; I just hope something good will rise from the ruins.

Funny thing is US is shouting about democracy and free world but at the same time supports racism by using its vetoes in UN's SC.

Why do you guys bother trying to argue with this kind of crap?  He obviously cant allow himself to believe anything that upsets his ideas of how the world works.  Something, at some point, has inflamed his views on this issue, and he cant see whats really happening.  Ignoring him and refusing to respond to the garbage he puts out is the best response you can give it.  

My cousin is a part-time resident and I know three Arabs who left the area for the US to get their families out of the danger zone.  They have no problem with Israel, but they understand how easy it is in that kind of atmosphere for mistakes to happen and the wrong people to be targeted by their soldiers.