Author Topic: New motherboard and cpu needed (Read 2668 times)

Hajo · « **Reply #30 on:** January 19, 2005, 01:42:07 PM »

Benchmarks in above Post Pollock

Pollock · « **Reply #31 on:** January 19, 2005, 01:44:27 PM »

Skuzzy,

Could you post your rig specs, thanks...

Hajo · « **Reply #32 on:** January 19, 2005, 01:44:38 PM »

Skuzzy....dunno if 2001 sees athlon64...or takes into account.
Dunno about instructions.

I reset defaults to gameplay specs, not benchmarks specs.

This is not a good barometer of athlon64 performance.

Benchmarked against P4s', dual CPUs, and Athlon XPs using
PassMarks System Performance test.

P4s were 2.8, 2.6, XP was 2200...Athlon64 3400 performed very very well against them in baseline Bench.

whels · « **Reply #33 on:** January 19, 2005, 01:54:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Hajo
Skuzzy....dunno if 2001 sees athlon64...or takes into account.
Dunno about instructions.

I reset defaults to gameplay specs, not benchmarks specs.

This is not a good barometer of athlon64 performance.

Benchmarked against P4s', dual CPUs, and Athlon XPs using
PassMarks System Performance test.

P4s were 2.8, 2.6, XP was 2200...Athlon64 3400 performed very very well against them in baseline Bench.

i ran 2001se defualt settings
got 20234 with below system.

6575 with your settings

whels

Skuzzy · « **Reply #34 on:** January 19, 2005, 02:02:43 PM »

I'll set my settings like yours Hajo and see what it yeilds. 2001SE uses the standard x86 instruction set as that is what was available, but it is generally what you find in most programs.

I think Aquamark is a better tool today, as it strikes a good balance in its scoring for the CPU and video card.

3DMark2003 was pretty dependent on the video card and 3DMark 2005 is even more so.

Strictly for the sake of comparisons, anything is good as long as everyone is using the same settings.

My home system
Intel P4 Northwood 3Ghz @ 3.4Ghz (FSB:227Mhz)
1GB of Crucial Ballistix ram
ATI X800XT video card
SB Audigy 2 ZS Platinum
Win XPPro w/SP2

and sundry other peripherals

Hajo · « **Reply #35 on:** January 19, 2005, 02:08:36 PM »

Skuzzy, while running the benchmark using default settings...I noticed the refresh rate was dropped to 60HZ by the benchmark.
That effectively limited my framerates.

I've got my refresh rate set to 85 which is max for my Sony monitor. Benchmark appears to put handcuffs on.

My System:
Athlon64 3400 @ 2.4ghz
ASUS KV8 SE Deluxe mobo
Radeon 9800 Pro 128 mb
1ghz PC3200 (DDR400) Ultra
80gb WD HD 8mb buffer running IDE not raid or Sata
Win2K Pro
SoundBlaster Live 5.1
and Hypertransport (no FSB)

Skuzzy · « **Reply #36 on:** January 19, 2005, 03:53:28 PM »

I set the vertical refresh rate to 'application preference'. 3Dmark has never enabled it, to my knowledge, as I was seeing framerates in the 400+ range while it ran.

DirectX resets the refresh rate, but you can use ATI's control panel to override that and use a refresh rate of your choice.

Hajo · « **Reply #37 on:** January 19, 2005, 04:12:28 PM »

Skuzzy

Thanks...I have the refresh rate set to 85 in ATI control Panel.

Seems that vid benchmarking over rides my setting.

At desktop my refresh rate is 91.1

In Aces High it's 91.1

As I'm making this post it's 91.1.

Go figure?

Skuzzy · « **Reply #38 on:** January 19, 2005, 08:08:42 PM »

Hajo, I got 19,721 using your settings in 2001SE.

Hajo · « **Reply #39 on:** January 19, 2005, 09:00:58 PM »

Great Score Skuzzy.....that vid card does the trick!

Pollock · « **Reply #40 on:** January 20, 2005, 04:46:35 AM »

Thanks for the data Scuzzy and Hajo.

From those figures it looks like 200 dollar upgrade may not get me to the desired settings I want to play in. I would probably be ok without fsaa at 4x. I still havent found the data on the AMD set up I am looking at.

Hajo,

The one thing that I hated in the past with AMD was VIA chipsets.
There were always issues. Since AMDs success have those issues gone away?

Those were the primary reasons I went to a P4 with intel chipset, and their proven stability. With that said If I went with intel again
It looks like I would HAVE to add extra cooling. This would place me around 275.00 total 25 over budget (not too bad).

The AMD set up may come in under 250.00 without extra cooling needed.

I am very close to making the decision I just need the AMD data.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #41 on:** January 20, 2005, 06:43:02 AM »

If you went with Intel, do not even consider a Prescott type of CPU. Stay with a Northwood (478 pin) and you will not have the thermal issues.
Northwood is faster, clock for clock, than the Prescott anyways and you would not be stuck with using slower DDR2 ram as well, which also runs much hotter than DDR1 ram.

Just FYI.

Yep Hajo, it was an expensive card, but I figure it will last a few years without much problem. I usually do not go with these high end cards, but I knew this would be my last computer for serveral years, as Intel has lost its way.

Hajo · « **Reply #42 on:** January 20, 2005, 06:43:12 AM »

Pollock:

Some mobos come with the NForce chipset now. I know the SocketA Biostar board does. The only issue I've had with any Via chipset is with the SB Audigy2ZS Soundcard.......that was with the Via KT333 chipset. Now running the K8T800 set. One thing good I like about Via is that they constantly update their drivers. The new batch are called Hyperion. As soon as I installed the mobo disc, I went to Viaarena.com and d'loaded and installed the newest group of 4 in 1s'

You can check various mobo combos with Athlon64s and I'm sure you'll find some with NForce chipsets.

Always purchase what you feel comfortable with. The only thing Iwould suggest is look at impartial reviews. Such as in Computer Gaming Magazine, Toms Hardware etc. Get an idea of performance from their Benchmarks and Tests. You'll also notice that AMD is generally speaking cheaper in comparison, and in Game Gauge testing the Athlon has since the XP CPU, generally come out on top in Gaming performance.

I Benchmarked this using PassMarks Performance Test. It was compared to two Pent 4s that both ran at 2.66 and 2.8 clock speeds. The Athlon64 3400 (runs at 2.4) beat both'

I used to use Pents.....but I've found for bang for the buck...I get better performance with the AMD.

Whatever you chose I'm sure will suit you. But again...feel comfortable with something before you purchase it. Look for the specs. I think you'll find baseline comparisons on the WEB. Check them out!

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #43 on:** January 20, 2005, 08:11:28 AM »

Hajo it doesn't matter if you shorten the lifespan of your hardware by overclocking it. Nobody will ever use modern hardware such as CPU or a mobo for more than 3 years anyway. After that it's just waste.

I prefer to take maximum advantage of it NOW that it's still worth anything.

I've been overclocking since 1998 and I never managed to break even one piece of hardware by means of clocking it. One CPU I burned when I tightened the waterblock (wondering why the block didn't seem to remain tightly seated) and the plastic cpu socket gave up due to manufactoring error. Result was no cooling on Athlon and a smoke effect. But even this was because of a faulty socket, not overclocking.

If your hardware burns out on overclocking, how can they tell whether you ran it on stock or oc settings? That's right, they can't. Well, unless you start soldering things and stuff.

Modern hardware, including mobo bioses, are built from factory with oc in mind. No-jumper automatic oc is a standard feature in every single quality motherboard today.

Hajo · « **Reply #44 on:** January 20, 2005, 09:34:05 AM »

Siaf...you're doing what suits you.

But don't generalize people having computers 3 years or less.

I think you'll find that normal, not gaming people hold on to theres' quite a bit longer then 3 years.

And...I think there are more "normal" PC users out there then us gamers.

My feelings on overclocking are mine. I just wished to inform those that do, or are thinking about it of the possible consequences. Been building computers for quite awhile, and I've heard just as many horror stories about overclocking as I have heard of success.

Friend of mine tried overclocking (one story) PC wouldn't run longer then ten minutes. Brought it to me to repair. I never saw plastic warp and stick like that before LOL.

Skuzzy knows much more then I do about it....I'd take his advice.
But if overclocking "flips your trigger" Flip away!:)