Is flying backwards cheating??

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Zazen13
Yea, I see the speed drop, but notice next to know altitude is lost and the speed drop is small and only as a result of the full rudder/aileron kick. The 360 degree stall spin itself doesn't seem to effect his speed or altitude to any significant degree...I'll try to film ManeTMP when he does it, he does it better than this guy, there's virtually no E-loss the way he does it. It looks alot like the stick-stir floppy-fish (tm) warp when done really well, except the guy always ends up on your 6 with his E intact firing away.

Just watch for the rudder slip and you can avoid it.  Oh, and if you watch a film of Mane doing this, you will see his speed drop as a result and he hardly has his E intact after the maneuver.  He's just got really good timing when he does it and catches many unaware.



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[Zixieo]

whoa thats awesome:(
Could ruin the game play down the road if more people start doing it.

[mechanic]

lol, you think i ever shot anyone down, or really even needed to try it in a fight yet?

kinda last ditch/im gunna die unless if you havnt got it mastered to a tee. which i really have not.

hey Zazen you putz, that 'other guy' is batfink.

the one who always bombs your flack pansie



...or tries to before you hit the tower

[streetstang]

Sheesh, I thought this was bound to be about the 38.

That'll fly in reverse, hover, spin like a top, then nose her down release flaps and presto, you got E.

I remember Wld's move. I haven't watched the film, too lazy to download it. But Wlds was nice and I utilize it every now and again when the time comes and the need arises. If anything is a sure over shot tactic. But if you can make a nice quick shot  and your timing is right you can gettem while your in the manuver.


Btw, if you really want to start to get tricky, take a 38 and start cutting out 1 engine at the top of a zoom climb. With a touch of rudder you can spin that thing around and be shooting before the guy on your 6 ever knows whats going on. This can also be done in a shallow climb where speeds are slow. Doesnt nesesaryly have to be in the vert.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by streetstang
Sheesh, I thought this was bound to be about the 38.

That'll fly in reverse, hover, spin like a top, then nose her down release flaps and presto, you got E.

I remember Wld's move. I haven't watched the film, too lazy to download it. But Wlds was nice and I utilize it every now and again when the time comes and the need arises. If anything is a sure over shot tactic. But if you can make a nice quick shot  and your timing is right you can gettem while your in the manuver.


Btw, if you really want to start to get tricky, take a 38 and start cutting out 1 engine at the top of a zoom climb. With a touch of rudder you can spin that thing around and be shooting before the guy on your 6 ever knows whats going on. This can also be done in a shallow climb where speeds are slow. Doesnt nesesaryly have to be in the vert.

That 38 move at least has some basis in reality.  Seem to recall Erv Ethell, 14th FG P38 Vet describe that exact move.

Dan/Slack

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Guppy35
That 38 move at least has some basis in reality.  Seem to recall Erv Ethell, 14th FG P38 Vet describe that exact move.

Dan/Slack

His son talks about that maneuver in the P-38 video he made.



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[Urchin]

Yea, that is pretty close to what we were doing a while back in AH1.  

The tail seems to just slide around, like driving a rear wheel drive car on snow or something.  That is the closest I could come to describing it anyway.  

I wouldn't think it would have much use in combat, but it is neat to look at.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Just watch for the rudder slip and you can avoid it.  Oh, and if you watch a film of Mane doing this, you will see his speed drop as a result and he hardly has his E intact after the maneuver.  He's just got really good timing when he does it and catches many unaware.



ack-ack

Well, I don't have film of him doing this, but I've made a high speed pass at him (300+), he does this move and stays 600 off my six for an extended period, firing away. If he is losing E, it isn't very much. I agree he has great timing, I am wise to this move now, but the first few times he did it I was sure I had room to shallow climb and loop over for another pass, obviously I would be wrong. Even going in with an obvious E advantage this move retains so much E, he had a full 3 to 5 second window to snapshot me on the way by D400-600.

I will try to get a film, or maybe he can provide one for the discussion.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by streetstang
Sheesh, I thought this was bound to be about the 38.

That'll fly in reverse, hover, spin like a top, then nose her down release flaps and presto, you got E.

I remember Wld's move. I haven't watched the film, too lazy to download it. But Wlds was nice and I utilize it every now and again when the time comes and the need arises. If anything is a sure over shot tactic. But if you can make a nice quick shot  and your timing is right you can gettem while your in the manuver.


Btw, if you really want to start to get tricky, take a 38 and start cutting out 1 engine at the top of a zoom climb. With a touch of rudder you can spin that thing around and be shooting before the guy on your 6 ever knows whats going on. This can also be done in a shallow climb where speeds are slow. Doesnt nesesaryly have to be in the vert.

Yea, kinda like a vertical hammerhead, the P47 does this at the top of a zoom climb really nice if you put out a bunch of flap and kick rudder, it'll instantly nose over with control, pull flaps back in and accelerate quickly onto the guy with gravity assist on your side.

[streetstang]

Yup, that big old heavy nose likes to be pointed down.

[BUG_EAF322]

fw's P47's and even typhoons and stangs can be very good at it.

most of them succesfully pilots are just very good shots.

coz when they miss they are death meat.