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Offline Muckmaw1

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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2005, 12:30:26 PM »
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There is no 'imperial adventure'. We are not there to create a territory of the US.



It has been proven that bin Laden's organization sought out and received help from Saddam. Does bin Laden hate Saddam? Who the hell knows but bin Laden.

Secular Socialist? Try tyrannical dictator.



I think that decades of tyrannical rule by a representative of a minority, that made a policy of murdering hundreds of thousands of members of the majority did more to ignite 'fundamentalist fervor'. We are attempting to unite these two groups. I think if one cares to do a little research, one will find that 95%+ of Iraq is peaceful and stable.




Defensive. That is how we want them to be. Galvanized?? I'm not sure that is correct, but assume it is. This allows us to find them easier and kill them.



I have to whole heartedly disagree.


Well'er said.
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Offline TheDudeDVant

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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2005, 12:31:43 PM »
Sad.. very sad... :rolleyes:

Throughout history, any country, is there a case where an insurgent war has been won by the aggressors?
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2005, 12:36:33 PM »
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Sound reasons for war or not. The analysis is still valid.

If your baby is dirty you have all kinds of sound reasons to clean it... This doesn't mean you put it in the washing machine. If you don't think ahead to what your actions may cause then you aren't acting responsibly.

I truely believe that our administration thought they were doing the right thing... I also firmly believe that they were mistaken.



War is dirty. That's why we waited so long and went to war as a last practical option. Our baby is not diry compaired to any other war, or the war we could have brought to Iraq.

We could have obliterated Iraq and all of it's infrastucturtre, then left by now. We are not like that, we are trying to minimise civilian death and misery. We are going to leave Iraq stable.

As for the consequeces in the terrorist world? It makes no difference to me what they think about it, They hate us just the same. heck, they kill their own people just as soon as anyone.

I actually believe the opposite of the author of that quote. I believe that the muslim terrorists, shown killing their own people, are actually creating a backlash against them in the muslim world.

I believe that when Iraq is secure and they have elections, the backlash against the terrorists trying to screw it up will be even worse. The people of Iraq are being made the victims of outside terror groups.....and they do not want them there.
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2005, 12:37:52 PM »
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I guess I forgot, we should never dare invade a muslim country in the "heart of the middle east" What's he saying? It makes no sense.

The terrorists hated us before the Iraq war, and they hate us now. No difference....other than now we wont have to wonder if Iraq will be a threat.

When we go to war, are we supposed to worry about what terrorists think about it? That's amusing to me.
He's saying that OBL's credibility has increased because America is behaving as he said it would so others are more inclined to listen to what he has to say.

As someone once said, if you want to stop terrorism, stop participating in it.
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2005, 12:39:30 PM »
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He's saying that OBL's credibility has increased because America is behaving as he said it would so others are more inclined to listen to what he has to say.

As someone once said, if you want to stop terrorism, stop participating in it.


Best saying yet
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2005, 12:42:36 PM »
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Sad.. very sad... :rolleyes:

Throughout history, any country, is there a case where an insurgent war has been won by the aggressors?


are you fishing for USA?
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2005, 12:45:26 PM »
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He's saying that OBL's credibility has increased because America is behaving as he said it would so others are more inclined to listen to what he has to say.

As someone once said, if you want to stop terrorism, stop participating in it.


OBL has very little to say about anything now days.

I'm saying that we went to war against Iraq and that I don't care what OBLS followers thnk about it. Actually, I find it Ironic that OSL's main goal was to get the US out of muslim lands.....and his actions created the opposite effect. He must have also lost credibility with his followers, don't you think?

OBL though that he could make the US leave muslim lands by attacking us and look what that got him. I'd say he failed.

And the saying "if you want to stop terrorism, stop participating in it. " sounds good, but we all know that's not a realistic view of the situation in the world.
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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2005, 12:45:59 PM »
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Sad.. very sad... :rolleyes:

Throughout history, any country, is there a case where an insurgent war has been won by the aggressors?



American Civil War. :D

Organized insurgents, but insurgents none the less.
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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2005, 12:46:43 PM »
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It is pretty scary to see that some people really are trying to justify this war by whatever means necessary, including lying. It doesn't really matter how many people have to suffer or die just as long as you people can uphold the illusion of righteousness. Well ... perhaps not scary, but rather pathetic.


I told you my reasons I think we went to war. What lie did I tell?
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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2005, 12:46:45 PM »
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are you fishing for USA?


I don't believe I am.. I was actually curious about it..  What would I be fishing for?
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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2005, 12:52:16 PM »
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The terrorists hated us before the Iraq war, and they hate us now. No difference....other than now we wont have to wonder if Iraq will be a threat.


Indeed no wonder it is just fact Iraq is the new homeland for terrorists.
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« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2005, 12:54:04 PM »
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He's saying that OBL's credibility has increased because America is behaving as he said it would


Do you believe that?

I think we understand what he was trying to convey.

GScholz. There is no reason to lie about anything to justify the liberation of Iraq from the man (loosely used term) that was murdering them. However, I do understand that you feel that there is no justification, I just know that you are wrong.

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« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2005, 01:01:45 PM »
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Indeed no wonder it is just fact Iraq is the new homeland for terrorists.


Right where 160,000 american troops are.

Sounds like it worked to me.

Or would you rather we have Al-Qaeda-Con in Chicago?
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« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2005, 01:03:16 PM »
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I don't believe I am.. I was actually curious about it..  What would I be fishing for?



not sure, just felt like a fishy comment...
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« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2005, 01:03:18 PM »
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Or would you rather we have Al-Qaeda-Con in Chicago?



Hey, that even is not scheduled until next year :lol
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