Stick Stirrer

[jamusta]

I recently bounced a 109. He then proceded to tumble out of control. I cut throttle hit rudder then after he immediately regained control I shot him down. I then told him that stick stirring is gamey. After we argued for a second and I told him to learn to fly he admitted that if I wouldnt have bounced him he wouldnt have had to stick stir...... Interesting

[SunKing]

Originally posted by Raider179
you'd be wrong sunking

Well explain away or prove it...  not just assume.

[TequilaChaser]

SunKing,
you said:

I still believe "Stick steering" is just lag. Certain planes roll so fast but the net connection isn't fast enough so on your end it looks like the guy is flopping around yet on his he is turning smooth. That's my guess

then when you qouted Raider179 you said:

Well explain away or prove it... not just assume.

LOL, isn't your guess in the first quote, "assuming"?   joking with ya

anyways, you asked:

why would you "stir" ,that would create drag and slow you down.

people do it TO slow down(yet they just briefly pause inflight it seems, this being the lag issue I guess,then suddenly have all their E/speed back when they regain control) and make one overshoot, or they do it because they don't know any better, or because they actually think they are out flying people..........but most do it because they panic and react too abruptly when moving the joystick.

I can see it if someone is being bounced by 1 then 2,3,4,5 planes all chasing him down, he gets so many on him he can't make up his mind which direction to go LOL

SA,
some do have the skill to be gamey with this, and then again some don't

class, well the issue of people's class, respect etc.......is thrown around the same as this issue or the HO issue......some people are just different.

I just chimed in with things I have seen and see often.  It does not bother me as it may some,  It does not affect the way I enjoy the game, or how I fly and I basically get comical relief from seeing people try to do these things.


Like watching a flyer in the game repeatedly vulch and rev, vulch and rev, run from any co alt planes, dive thru planes at 5k alt when he is at 9k alt to dive to the deck run across the field, vulch ext.......then run home land his 2 or 3 kills, sometimes 20 kills LOL then says thank you from all the wtgs people give him on channel 2 or 200.....and even funnier to see these type flyers throw out to people they just vulch.......now that is some PURE funny BS

or  even have 3 or 4 fighting 1 and they high 5 each other when they kill the 1 and they throw out a to him when they shoot him down......

all these type people mentioned in the latter of this post do not have 1 clue what class, respect, dignity or any other  honored type word is or means.... and  Aces High has these type of players on all sides ( all 3 countrys ) not 1 country is immuned from people of this nature.........

I do think the way some one grows up, is raised, or taught and their age & culture has alot to do with how they act amongst other people in the community though........

[Raider179]

It can be purposely caused to happen. You can go search for othe threads on the subject and find whatever proof you are looking for.

[Stang]

It works because of lag and the movement of the plane is too fast for the game to keep up with fluently.  In real life a stick stir would make you a big fat slow target and the first time you did it you wouldn't be around to do it anymore.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by rpm
I have had nme accuse me of "stick stirring" in my 109-f when all I did was an aileron roll with rudder added.  

I once had a famous AH player (who I haven't seen in awhile, come to think of it) accuse me of stick-stirring when I was flying an A8.  At the time it made me pretty mad, because it's one of those accusations that people tend to believe if you're in a FW, and only you know what you were really doing.  What I was really doing was simply a series of quick alieron rolls in different directions, which is one of the things the FW is supposed to do well.

Reading this thread, though, it seems to me that what people are complaining of really is lag, which I see fairly frequently in others (now that I have a faster computer and a better connection!).  The lag, of course, is more noticeable when you're close to someone than when you're far away.  Certainly this is the first time I've ever heard of any plane besides the FW as even being capable of stick-stirring.

Hitech posted, in another thread and quite some time ago, that the stick stirring issue had long since been cured.  I believe him.

- oldman

[Tilt]

If you want to prove that stick stirring is possible then do it off line, film it and link the film here...................

Its quite simple..................if you can make an ac do stuff it shouldna when your off line then HTC will want to fix it............

they cannot fix lag effects.............

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Oldman731
I once had a famous AH player (who I haven't seen in awhile, come to think of it) accuse me of stick-stirring when I was flying an A8.  At the time it made me pretty mad, because it's one of those accusations that people tend to believe if you're in a FW, and only you know what you were really doing.  What I was really doing was simply a series of quick alieron rolls in different directions, which is one of the things the FW is supposed to do well.

Reading this thread, though, it seems to me that what people are complaining of really is lag, which I see fairly frequently in others (now that I have a faster computer and a better connection!).  The lag, of course, is more noticeable when you're close to someone than when you're far away.  Certainly this is the first time I've ever heard of any plane besides the FW as even being capable of stick-stirring.

Hitech posted, in another thread and quite some time ago, that the stick stirring issue had long since been cured.  I believe him.

- oldman

Thing is also alot of the flip flopping you see also is possible to do.
All you have to do is attend an airshow  to see them performed regularly first hand.

I dont worry about stick stirring though. I either stay behind em till I get a shot or dis enguage because of other enemies in the area.

something else you can do also is just get a little alt.
they are pissing away both ALt and E when they do such manuvers. and eventually they do have to come out of it. When they do, you still have the advantage.

[Raider179]

There has got to be a way to fix it. I would say something like the "Dont move your controls to Quickly" but more sensitve to how stick stirring is done. Then controls lock and they auger. That would satisfy me but I would rather see stirring not being done at all.

[rpm]

Yeah, lets make everyone fly like the offline drones so players with no skills can get a kill. Jeezus, learn some of that pilot s**t.

[Raider179]

Oh thats what it is, I have no idea how to fly. pfftt

[detch01]

I don't know about the rest of you but I'm enjoying the hell out of this thread!:aok


asw

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by Raider179
Oh thats what it is, I have no idea how to fly. pfftt

Took long enough, but he finally admits it!  

[Raider179]

If you have never seen a stick stir then maybe it is because you have never made anyone resort to it. After all you gotta be on their six not running for home. But what do I know about how you fly anymore than what you know about how I do.

[acetnt367th]

Not to get in the middle of this, but can someone please explain to me exactly how a stick stir is done? Many times I have seen accusations of stick stirring made in the game but no one seems to be able to recreate themselves it on film i.e. recreate the same effect on your FE in your aircraft. If you do this consistantly, film it and send to Hitech it will be fixed.

DOnt want to do that ...

then may I suggest instead of jumping on 200 with the stick stirring accusations...just ask the guy to film a few dogfights and email to you. If the guys was just trying acm he will not have a problem doing this and we will all get to the bottom of this.



Acetnt

A once (and only once) accused stick stirrer..............!