Author Topic: Stick Stirrer (Read 1389 times)

Raider179 · « **on:** January 20, 2005, 02:11:10 PM »

HTC please do something to fix this issue. This is extremely frustrating thing to see.

dedalos · « **Reply #1 on:** January 20, 2005, 02:42:42 PM »

Please ???

SunKing · « **Reply #2 on:** January 20, 2005, 03:15:49 PM »

I still believe "Stick steering" is just lag. Certain planes roll so fast but the net connection isn't fast enough so on your end it looks like the guy is flopping around yet on his he is turning smooth. That's my guess because why would you "stir" ,that would create drag and slow you down.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #3 on:** January 20, 2005, 03:18:19 PM »

As far as I know HTC already addressed this problem by including the 'don't move your stick so fast' message and freeze-up of controls for 10 seconds.

So if you see wild jumping the other guy is just doing evasives the best he can and either one of you is having a bad connection at the moment.

Raider179 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 20, 2005, 03:47:28 PM »

you'd be wrong sunking

Raider179 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 20, 2005, 03:49:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
As far as I know HTC already addressed this problem by including the 'don't move your stick so fast' message and freeze-up of controls for 10 seconds.

So if you see wild jumping the other guy is just doing evasives the best he can and either one of you is having a bad connection at the moment.

If its just bad connection then why can people force it to happen.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #6 on:** January 20, 2005, 04:00:21 PM »

Sometimes standard acm will cause that due to a bad connection.

Of course there will always be people who'll try everything possible to gain an unfair advantage. Maybe they start downloading a linux distro once you get on their 6?

dedalos · « **Reply #7 on:** January 20, 2005, 04:05:14 PM »

Its a bad connection that aplies to 190s for the most part and only when they are in shooting range.

The net is fast, do you know how mach data you can push with a 20ms ping on DSL? However, there is lag (processing time) on the front end, and the server. Things have to process. I am afraid the only fix is to pork the 190 (the only one that flops all over the place) and that would not be right either. I can get a gun solution on most other planes trying it cause it is not as bad.

I would love to have it fixed and maybe HT could come up with something for it, but I am afraid we just have to leave with it.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 20, 2005, 05:12:49 PM »

Just for one second Dedalos, stop. Go and do a search of all your posts. Read through them and what do they have in common?

You have a strong tendency to use the terms "most, all, only, always", etc, when talking about problems you see. You generalize, and then say it "always" happens, or "only with plane X", or "most of the time it's...". You also have a tendency to use phrases like "Well 90% of the time........." Ok, you have a percentage? Prove it. Where's your material? Show your work, as my instructors used to say. You dont provide hard data. You dont even provide theories. You just provide complaints of issues you have no clue as to the true cause of. You arent alone, and I'm not trying to be hurtful or attack you personally. But your experience, and your views, are not universally applied to everyone automatically.

I've had the controls frozen in planes I'm flying, and gotten the "dont move your controls so fast" message when I'm flying level and pull up into a 3g loop or immelman. Ive also seen buffs flying low over a base that flop around like a fish out of water, but only one or two of the formation. So buff drones stick stir too? I dont have access to films at the moment, but if you'd like I can dig through mine and find you some examples. There may be people out there who have learned enough about the way net lag and the HTC system in specific work to fool it and make their representation in the game act erratically and become almost impossible to hit. If so, film it and send it to HTC. If you can prove "stick stirring" then its probably considered cheating and HTC would take care of it. At least that would be the constructive thing to do. HTC has no more control over the internet and what people's connection issues are than you do.

Again, this is not meant to be taken personally. I hope you will take it in the constructive manner in which it is intended. Thanks.

Raider179 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 20, 2005, 05:47:01 PM »

It was a spit and it was a blatant stick stir.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2005, 07:44:49 PM »

Dude, seriously. Prove it, dont whine about it. If you send HTC proof of cheating, they take it seriously and the person will be dealt with.

You have no idea whether it was intentional or not, and you dont have proof or you wouldnt be here posting about it.

You can either believe me, do something constructive and feel good about yourself; or you can keep posting this BS, get angrier and angrier when no one official responds and you cant understand why, and eventually get yourself on somebody's bad side. Your choice.

Raider179 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 20, 2005, 08:03:38 PM »

1st off dude lmao I never said it was a cheat. Its an exploit that is why it is posted in this forum....

2nd I believe it was intentional because it occured 2x in about 45 secs, one being way more severe than the other.

3rd I do have the film.

4th I do not care what you say/think If you read my 1st post it says HTC not StarofAfrica2.

dedalos · « **Reply #12 on:** January 21, 2005, 08:57:39 AM »

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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Just for one second Dedalos, stop. Go and do a search of all your posts. Read through them and what do they have in common?

You have a strong tendency to use the terms "most, all, only, always", etc, when talking about problems you see. You generalize, and then say it "always" happens, or "only with plane X", or "most of the time it's...". You also have a tendency to use phrases like "Well 90% of the time........." Ok, you have a percentage? Prove it. Where's your material? Show your work, as my instructors used to say. You dont provide hard data. You dont even provide theories. You just provide complaints of issues you have no clue as to the true cause of. You arent alone, and I'm not trying to be hurtful or attack you personally. But your experience, and your views, are not universally applied to everyone automatically.

Why yes I do use these terms. Like MOST of the time you are safe in puffy ack if you don't turn, or stick stirng can be seen 90% of the time done by a 190, or 190s will MOST of the time HO and run. But you know what? It is true. In my eyes at list. As far as providing theories without having a clue or any material to prove percentages all I can say is "?????". Do you want me to post 100, 200, 1000 films to prove something I don't care to prove? It is not cheating so I don't see why I should sent them to HT but imagine if I did sent them an email everytime someone was stikcstiring. (if you want give me your email I will sent you 2 films from last night a 51 and a spit, see for your self). As far as having no clue about what the problem is well what can I say. I've been creating trading systems for about 10 years and have been working for two different exchanges on electronic trading. I think I have a clue about "net lag". By the way, my post was diffending HT not attacking them.

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I've had the controls frozen in planes I'm flying, and gotten the "dont move your controls so fast" message when I'm flying level and pull up into a 3g loop or immelman. Ive also seen buffs flying low over a base that flop around like a fish out of water, but only one or two of the formation. So buff drones stick stir too? I dont have access to films at the moment, but if you'd like I can dig through mine and find you some examples. There may be people out there who have learned enough about the way net lag and the HTC system in specific work to fool it and make their representation in the game act erratically and become almost impossible to hit. If so, film it and send it to HTC. If you can prove "stick stirring" then its probably considered cheating and HTC would take care of it. At least that would be the constructive thing to do. HTC has no more control over the internet and what people's connection issues are than you do.

Again, this is not meant to be taken personally. I hope you will take it in the constructive manner in which it is intended. Thanks.

So????? why do I have to prove anything to you? Stick stiring is not new. Does not need to be proven. It is very easy to see. You say this is not to be taken peronally but you seem to have discredit everything I have ever said in any post. Where is your data that prove it does not happen? Just because a buff was warping it means 190s are not good at it? I would love to take this in a contructive maner but all I see critisism because you thought I was attacking HT. Again, I was defending them.

By the way, "Net Lag" does not explain everything in life.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #13 on:** January 21, 2005, 10:43:23 AM »

There is no "most" or "always"

I've seen a great deal of different planes doing the stick stirring flipflop.

F-4's, F6's, FM2's, Hurricanes, Spits, And most recently a La7.

Just cut your throttle enough to stay behind them and blow em away

Raider179 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 21, 2005, 12:41:10 PM »

cutting your throttle sometimes doesnt matter as they seem to be going one way and then poof they flip and all of sudden they are going the opposite direction.