Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Guppy35
In terms of the P39 and the MA, I think folks need to keep in mind the P39 performed well down on the deck.  Considering much of the airwar in the MA is down low, I'd think the 39 would do OK.

Certainly the USAAF pilots flying against the LW in the Med with the 350th did ok against the 109s and 190s when they ran into them.  And when they did it was down on the deck where the 39 was operating and the performance was better.

Dan/Slack

I agree. The P-39N and P-39Q were very capable down low, vastly better than the earlier P-39s. I expect that if we get a late P-39, it will be widely used and very effective.

My regards,

Widewing

[Wotan]

Id like to see the K4 perked. Better climb, ejection pod guns, and faster than the G10. Make it really expensive, whatever. Id just like to see the K4. Might fly ma if I see the K4, who knows.

The G-10 in Ah is really a K-4 with K-4 performance. The reason they called a G-10 was because of the 20mm option, the K-4 had no such option.

Pyro said exactly that in an old post

I am in complete agreement with your lineup. For Early P-47s a P-47C-5 and P-47D-5 would fill out the set. I'd also like to see the D-11 updated to the high-activity prop as almost all were upgraded to this within a month of reaching Britain.

Yeah the D-11 should get the paddle blade prop which would put it at Jan '44.

I read in an old post about flight model changes in an old patch where Pyro said:

P-47D-11 is underweight and that will be changed. A prop change is not planned at this point as I really don't want to do 8 variants of the P-47.

Let's hope that has changed

[Tilt]

There seem to be two development streams

1) update existing rides

2) new rides.


1) should take its lead from the MA and be prioritised to the most popular rides and their model variants.

2) should be geared to the needs of TOD which really means (it seems) filling out the 43 >45 WETO set

but a Pe2 would be nice

[Loddar]

Main arena only needs late war planes.

All others is only for complete the sides.
Only a handfull players fly early war
planes in main.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by Loddar
Main arena only needs late war planes.

All others is only for complete the sides.
Only a handfull players fly early war
planes in main.

Not necessarily true.  P40E, Hurri 2c, FM2, F4F, 109F, and Spit 5 are early war, and get a lot of use.  To be successful as an early war ride in the MA, maneuverability and firepower are needed.  IMO, the lack of firepower is what limits the use of the 202, otherwise a really fine ride.

And (i can hear the screams of "blasphemer and heretic" now) AH is not all about the MA.  MA is important, fun, and attracts a large fan base.  But on any Friday night, there will be almost 200 players in Squad Ops in the SEA.  Some scenarios beat that number handily.  Granted, these aren't full-time 24 hour activities, but a lot of players live for these activities.  I know I do.  And this rather large base of players NEEDS early war rides, so we can reenact early war battles.

Will the P38J and G be used in the MA?  Oh, yes.  Are they going to be superior to the L?  Remains to be seen.  But I can tell you one thing--the minute they become available, Daddog and company will be planning their use in the SEA.  And I for one can't wait for the new toys!



shubie

[Loddar]

rshubert, i fully agree with you

But all these main players rides most
late war planes like 51D, La7s, Niks, 190D
and all like that. Every time the same planes.

Scenarios and all other special events can need early war planes but these events
are only two times a week, rest is main
arena rumbleboring.

[sawman]

Basicly I think the mossie bomber would be a fast fun ride to add,it wouldnt be that hard to put in.
          The p-39 would be nice altho as someone said the yak is close to doing the same job but i think the cobra has more ammo with .05's and .03's in the nose,or we could have the p-63 king cobra

         The Stuka with the big cannon was fun in w/b now that we have the tiger tank it would be a great counter to it.
                           .Sawman

[Fruda]

Soviet Union: MiG-3, LaGG-3, Yak-1, I-16, Pe-2B, P-39Q, Pe-8, Il-10, Tu-2S

Germany: Bf 109E-1, Bf 109G-14, Bf 109K-4, He 111H-6, Fw 190A-3, Fw 190A-4, Do 217E-2, Do 217J-1, Ju-52/3mg5e

Great Britain: Spitfire VII, Spitfire VIII, Sea Fury, Mosquito XVIII

Japan: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-100, J2M3, A6M3, A6M7, G5N1, G4M2

United States: F4F-3, P-39D, P-40C, F6F-3, B-25D, B-25J


...How about this list?

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Fruda

Japan: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-100, J2M3, A6M3, A6M7, G5N1, G4M2

...How about this list?

I think the Japanese could really use one of their mid-late war Carrier Strike Aircraft.

Either the D4Y, or even the B7A

Heck even a B6N would be helpfull if a Pacific ToD ever takes off.

-Sik

[Fruda]

I agree.

However, I forgot to add a list of updates that are necessary. The ones of highest priority should be...


Fw 190F-8: Face it --- This plane really needs its different loadout packages. We only have around 5 for it, when in real life there were over a dozen (gunpods, bombs, rockets, you name it). It was possibly the most sophisticated ground attack aircraft in the world at the time, and our version isn't even capable of taking out much more than a Panzer.

Bf 109G-10: What's going on here? Our version is just a bastardized mix of the G-10 and K-4. It needs to be a true G-10, which would require a slight decrease in performance.

Spitfire Mk. XIV: Well, this one doesn't have any problems, although it shouldn't even be perked. We have a low-power early model that doesn't even go 450mp/h. The most famous XIV variant (the "e") had a bubble canopy along with a Rolls Royce Griffon 65, and could go 452+ at 22,000 feet. I say take the perk price off of our XIV and add the XIVe. Even though the XIVe has superior performance to many planes above 22,000 feet, it's still in the same class as the P-51D Mustang and Bf 109G-10 and K4, so it shouldn't be perked, PERIOD.

La-7: I think everybody knows about this one. Of course, it was this good in real life. But very, and I do mean very, few La-7's had the 3x B-20 gun package. We should have a default La-7 with just the 2x 20mm ShVak package, along with a new variant equipped with the 3x 20mm B-20 package, with a perk price of about 15 points. This would settle many disputes about the plane.

[Karnak]

Fruda,

Most Spitfire Mk XIVs were high backed Mk XIVe types.  The bubble cannopy you're thinking of didn't enter service until march or april, 1945 and was a Spitfire FR.Mk XIVe.  The FR was for Fighter-Recon.

The Spitfire Mk XIV in AH is powered by a Griffon 65, as all Mk XIVs were, and has a critical altitude of about 27,000ft as it should and does 447mph which is very close to the RAF's 448mph claim..  I don't know where you heard the Mk XIV should do 452 at 22,000ft.  That sounds like the proper numbers for the Bf109K-4.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Krusty

Lol.. No offense mate. I don't mean to be harsh. But you want the G55 because it'll be another uber plane (3x20mm & 2x12.7mm)... C'mon.. fess up, that's why, ain't it?

There's nothing extraordinary about the G55 and Re2005. Both were powered by the same 1,475 hp Alfa Romeo built version of the DB-605A1 engine fitted to the Macchi 205. Of the 3, the Re2005 is probably the most agile, but still nowhere close to equal with the SpitV. All three produced max speeds in the 390 mph range. All suffered from poor outward visibility and indifferent reliability. I see no reason to add these at this point in time when so many other aircraft of far greater significance are needed.

My regards,

Widewing

[Angus]

Karnak, test the XIV in climb and turn.
It's an underdog compared to the 109G2 and to the actual performance AFAIK.
Even fully loaded (lots of fuel) Mk VIII would go to 20K in 5 minutes.

[gear]

The He 112


Origin: Ernst Heinkel AG
Models: He 100 B-0 and B-1
Type: Single-seat fighter
First Flight:
    He 112V-1: September 1935
    He 112B: May 1937
Final Delivery: Romania: September 1939
Production: N/A (At least 54)
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Engine:
Model: Junkers Jumo 210Ea
Type: Inverted-vee-12 liquid-cooled
Number: One      Horsepower: 680 hp
Dimensions:
Span: 29 ft. 10¼ in. (9.1m)
Length: 30 ft. 6 in. (9.3m)
Height: 12 ft. 7½ in. (3.65m)

Weights:
Empty: 1620kg (3,571 lbs.)
Maximum Loaded: 2250 kg (4,960 lbs.)

   Performance:
Maximum speed: 510km/h (317mph)
Service Ceiling: 8,500m (27,890 ft.)
Range: 1100km (684 Miles)

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Armament:
Two 20mm Oerlikon MG FF Cannon in Outer Wings
Two 7.92mm Rheinmetall MG 17 machine guns in the fuselage sides

Bomb load:
Underwing racks for six 22 lb. (10 kg.) fragmentation bombs.

[gear]

He 219


Origin: Ernst Heinkel AG
Type: Night fighter
Models: He 219A-0 to A-7, B and C series
Crew: Two
First Flight: He 219V-1 November 15, 1942
Service Delivery:
    Prototypes: November 15, 1942
    He 219A-1: November 1943
Total Production: 268

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Powerplant:
He 219V-1:
   Model: Daimler-Benz DB 603AS
   Type: Inverted-vee-12 liquid-cooled
   Number: Two      Horsepower: 1,750 hp

Typical:
   Model: Daimler-Benz DB 603G
   Type: Inverted-vee-12 liquid-cooled
   Number: Two      Horsepower: 1,900 hp

He 219A-6:
   Model: Daimler-Benz DB 603L
   Type: Inverted-vee-12 liquid-cooled
   Number: Two      Horsepower: 1,750 hp

He 219A-7/R2:
   Model: Daimler-Benz DB 603E      Number: Two
   Type: Inverted-vee-12 liquid-cooled
   Horsepower:
     1,800 hp at 2,700 rpm for takeoff.
     1,900 hp at 5,905 ft. (1,800m).
     1,550 hp at 22,965 ft. (7,000m).

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Dimensions: He 219A-7
Span: 60 ft. 8 in. (18.5m)
Length (With Aerials): 50 ft. 11¾ in. (15.54m)
Height: 13 ft. 5½ in. (4.1m)
   Weights: He 219A-7
Empty: 24,692 lb (11,200 kg)
Loaded: 33,730 lb. (15,200 kg)

Performance: He 219A-7
Maximum speed: 416 mph (670km/h)
Initial climb: 1,804 ft (550m)/min
Service ceiling: 41,660 ft (12,700m)
Range: 1,243 miles (2,000km)

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Armament:
He 219V-1
Two 20mm MG 151/20 Cannon in wing roots.
One 13mm MG 131 in rear cockpit.

He 219A-2/R1
Two 20mm MG 151/20 Cannon in wing roots.
Two or Four 20mm MG 151/20 Cannon in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 108 cannon in Shräge Musik mount.

He 219A-7/R1
Two 30mm Mk 108 Cannon in wing roots.
Two 20mm MG 151/20 Cannon in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 103 Cannon in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 108 cannon in Shräge Musik mount.
   Ammunition: 100 rounds per gun

He 219A-7/R2
Two 30mm Mk 108 Cannon in wing roots.
Two 20mm MG 151/20 Cannon in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 108 Cannon in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 108 cannon in Shräge Musik mount.
   Ammunition: 100 rounds per gun