Well the P-38s are almost here, what's next

[CalDe]

Well not to sound to pushy,
I'de like to see two new aircraft added.
1. The Donier Arrow 235 both variants, single seat fighter, and the twin seat night fighter, both developed in secrecy and only about 10 made. It was a push pull twin prop.
2. The P-61 Black Widow. It was a night fighter and saw limited service.
Well maybe 1 more.
3. The ME-410.
thats all I have to say. If I need to do the research I have it already

[Kev367th]

He111 for the scenarios.
Earlier Me110 for the scenarios.

Spit LFVIII (clipped wing)
Sort out the Spit 9
Unperk the Spit 14
Poss Spit 22/24 perked obviously, but at a reasonable cost.

Mossie BIV

Diff B17/B24 variants

[bozon]

The RAF needs taking care of.
It's 1944/5 fighters are perked, and the unperked RAF is the worst possible 1943 spit IX and a beefed up Spit V (1942) which is actually superior in almost every way to it's later brother.

The result is a spit V which is too good for 1942 but near obsolete in 1943 and a Spit IX that cannot compete in scenarious / events / ToD.

Add to that that the day version mossie has the night exhaust tubes that slows it down and it has some center-of-gravity issue that makes it spin worse than any other plane or enter "deep stall" (falling without droping the nose down).

So the mid-war RAF is weired, the late war is perked and the pinnacle of the unperked RAF is the 1943 Typhoon whose fame did not result from it's air-to-air ability.

Bozon

[XrightyX]

Originally posted by bozon
The RAF needs taking care of.

Bozon

Hmmm, I'd like to see the Beaufighter .

[kaos1]

To those that think the Italian "5" series are "Uber Planes" I must disagree.  And to those who think they are insignificant because of lack of use I must also disagee.  Yes they were rare, but that was due to manufacturing reasons, see the allies were bombing the %^$&*$ out of Italian industry.

The real reson I would like to see them is that we have enough allied planes in the skys, and a couple more Italian planes would add greatly to the variety of aircraft.  Lets be serious, do we need every model of every allied plane ever put into combat?  

Currenlty, I fly the C.205 almost exclusively when I choose a fighter, unlike the hordes I see in LA's, Spits, and P-51's.  Lets just get better all around representation.

Now for Uber planes, lets get a P-80 out there as a perk plane!

[Glasses]

How about un twittler ing the wulfen?

That would Japwn!

[Fruda]

The Russian planeset still needs the most additions.

#1: Pe-2 --- On par with the Bf 110 series, if not better. A great ground attacker. The Russian planeset needs this, BADLY.

#2: Tu-2 --- The Russian counterpart of the B-17. Very large and very heavy. Russia needs a heavy bomber, and this is it.

#3: MiG-3 --- 398 mp/h at 21,000 feet, a good deal of gun packages (3 ShVak; 2 B-20; etc.), great turner, and good all-around performance make this early-mid war fighter a must for the Russian set.

#4: LaGG-3 --- Not nearly as good as the Yak-1 or MiG-3, but Russia still needs an early-war fighter on par with the 109E series.

#5: Yak-1 --- The first Yak is necessary. Great performance at altitudes below 10,000 feet; out-classes the 109 series below said altitude.

#6: Yak-3 --- Possibly the best pure dogfighter of the Yak series. Not quite as fast as the Yak-9U, but it turns better and doesn't stall as easily. It's also a bit lighter.

#7: I-16 --- Just put it in. It was used heavily in the very early stages of the war, even though it was HORRIBLY out-classed by Germany's 109's.

#8: Yak-7 --- Can't have enough Yak variants. You just can't.

[Krusty]

Hate to argue with ya, but the Tu-2 was about the same size and capabilities as the Pe-2. Both had LIGHT payloads. The soviets had only a couple of heavy bombers (TB-3, Pe-8). Almost all soviet bombers were light attack or dive bombers.

The Pe came earlier, was fast for its time, but had light forward firepower and limited bomb load.

The Tu came later ('44 bird) and was faster, could carry MORE, but still nothing compared at all to a B17. More like a B25.


As for the Mig3 and lagg3, I say make it a mig1 and a lagg3. The early planes should reflect the slow and less-adequate fighters of the time.

Why do we need a Yak1 and a Yak3? They are both veritable spitfires... Just put in the Yak1 and if people want a Yak3 have them fly the Yak9.

As for the I-16....


If this game ever adds small but nimble biplanes it will ruin gameplay. These rides out turn anything but are so freakin' slow that most planes can't even slow down enough to hit them....


As an example, the missions in IL2 have 109Fs taking on I 16s.. It's nearly impossible to hit the bastages because they turn on a dime and even tho they are slow you can never keep up with them. Chances are they'll NEVER get a kill on you, but it's a freaking waste of time, ammo, and it annoys the hell out of the superior plane's pilot.

Same would happen if we put in the Gloster Gladiator, the I-16, or anything on par with them. They would only increase the number of turn fights that lead nowhere because the plane doesn't have the firepower to shoot anything down, and nothing else can shoot them down. It's a road to frustration. As much as the Vvs needs early planes, leave biplanes out. Just use early lend-lease planes.

[XrightyX]

Originally posted by Krusty


Why do we need a Yak1 and a Yak3? They are both veritable spitfires... Just put in the Yak1 and if people want a Yak3 have them fly the Yak9.

 

Need both Yak 1 and Yak 3.  

There are substantial differences...The Yak 1 was a multipurpose attack fighter.  The Yak 3 was designed to improve the air to air capabilities.

There's also the issue of numbers and impact on the war.  With 8000+ Yak 1's built and 4000+ Yak 3's built (plus 8000 more Yak9 variants), you've just got to include them.  I think there were less than 500 C.205s produced, but we have them.

We've got 3 P38s, 3 P47s, heck, we've got 4 Spitties so I see no reason why we shouldn't have 4 Yaks.

Actually, I do see a reason:  Lack of information.  The Cold War that followed WWII kept American and Soviet WWII exploits and experiences mutually exclusive.  

Think about what most people start flying in the TA...P51s, Spitfires, Me 262s...the cool, classy stuff they read about.  No one says "I wanna fly the Mig 3".

Anyway...my 2 cents worth...

[afool]

Originally posted by Krusty

As for the I-16....


If this game ever adds small but nimble biplanes it will ruin gameplay. These rides out turn anything but are so freakin' slow that most planes can't even slow down enough to hit them....


As an example, the missions in IL2 have 109Fs taking on I 16s.. It's nearly impossible to hit the bastages because they turn on a dime and even tho they are slow you can never keep up with them. Chances are they'll NEVER get a kill on you, but it's a freaking waste of time, ammo, and it annoys the hell out of the superior plane's pilot.

Same would happen if we put in the Gloster Gladiator, the I-16, or anything on par with them. They would only increase the number of turn fights that lead nowhere because the plane doesn't have the firepower to shoot anything down, and nothing else can shoot them down. It's a road to frustration. As much as the Vvs needs early planes, leave biplanes out. Just use early lend-lease planes.

You may feel it would ruin gameplay. It may ruin yours, but it would improve mine. It all depends on what you like, what you want to do and how you want to play.


afool

[CalDe]

I miss spoke   in an earlier post, It was the Donier Arrow 335, and thier were 2 active squadrons neer the end of 1944. Still would like to see this plane added. Did you know it was the only plane of that error that had explosive bolts to detach the tail section and rear centerline engine along with an ejection seat to accomadate a safe bail out?

[TequilaChaser]

One that would be easy to implement would be the F6f-5N.

The F6f-3 and F65-5s were retrofitted in large quantitys to the N designation. They installed 2 20 mm cannons in place of 2 of the 50 cal machine guns.

the F6f-3N and F6f-5N  planes had

2 - 20 mm Cannons
4- 50 cal machine guns

would be neat to have the N model Hellcat to compete with the Ki-84, Niki, Ki-61, A6m's  since all of them have cannons to begin with.............and it wouldn't even need to be perked!

[Fruda]

Originally posted by Krusty
Hate to argue with ya, but the Tu-2 was about the same size and capabilities as the Pe-2. Both had LIGHT payloads. The soviets had only a couple of heavy bombers (TB-3, Pe-8). Almost all soviet bombers were light attack or dive bombers.

The Pe came earlier, was fast for its time, but had light forward firepower and limited bomb load.

The Tu came later ('44 bird) and was faster, could carry MORE, but still nothing compared at all to a B17. More like a B25.


As for the Mig3 and lagg3, I say make it a mig1 and a lagg3. The early planes should reflect the slow and less-adequate fighters of the time.

Why do we need a Yak1 and a Yak3? They are both veritable spitfires... Just put in the Yak1 and if people want a Yak3 have them fly the Yak9.

As for the I-16....


If this game ever adds small but nimble biplanes it will ruin gameplay. These rides out turn anything but are so freakin' slow that most planes can't even slow down enough to hit them....


As an example, the missions in IL2 have 109Fs taking on I 16s.. It's nearly impossible to hit the bastages because they turn on a dime and even tho they are slow you can never keep up with them. Chances are they'll NEVER get a kill on you, but it's a freaking waste of time, ammo, and it annoys the hell out of the superior plane's pilot.

Same would happen if we put in the Gloster Gladiator, the I-16, or anything on par with them. They would only increase the number of turn fights that lead nowhere because the plane doesn't have the firepower to shoot anything down, and nothing else can shoot them down. It's a road to frustration. As much as the Vvs needs early planes, leave biplanes out. Just use early lend-lease planes.

Excuse me, but the A6M's are small, slow, and extremely nimble. The I-16 is almost up there speed-wise, and it can turn almost as well. It's virtually in the same class.

And why the hell shouldn't we have the MiG-3? It was much better than the MiG-1, and didn't have nearly as many mechanical and structural problems. The only reason its kill-to-loss ratio was so high is because the pilots who flew it had little to no training, thus using none of its advantages against the 109's it fought. If you know how to fly it, it's a demon. And don't start with that "crappy fuel pump" BS. It flew how it flew, and it out-classed the 109's at the time (1941-1942).

The Yak-1, as was said earlier, was a multi-purpose aircraft, not just meant for dogfighting. And the Yak-3 is a better dogfighter than the Yak-9, altough it is just a smidge slower. It's less prone to stalling and is more maneuverable. In fact, the Yak-3 was so good at its role that Luftwaffe pilots were told to avoid it.

[Sikboy]

As a Yakman, I've got to say that the Yak-1 and the Yak-3 should be modeled sooner or later. I think that the -1 is more important, given the lack of early war Soviet planes, but I also feel that the Yak-3 is sufficiently different in character from the -9U to warrent inclusion.

Also, while it's not my "thing" The Yak-3 is one of the few "MA Monsters" that has yet to be modeled. I spent the few hours I've flown in the MA this month trying to chase people down in a Yak-9T, so I completely understand the desire for faster options in the MA lol.

-Sik

[Wotan]

Yak 3 is pointless in terms of need. ToD and event 'needs' should be put ahead of main 'wants' at this point in AH development. The Yak 9u is better aircraft all round for a late war Yak.

Yak 1 / Yak 7 / Yak 9 / Yak 9M (easy convert from the 9T we have. Very similair to the 9D.)

But as I mentioned above the eastern front would take more then 1 update and should be set aside so that wholes can be filled that will directly impact the possibilities for ToD. Earlier USAAF, better variety for the RAF and Japanese etc...

Another late war main monster isn't really required to keep the main vital.