meanwhile, back at the debators society

[Saintaw]

I am well thank you, getting the new puter in about 1 hour... so I'm like a 3 year old again, realy

*jumps up & down!!!*

Rats my sciatic's acting again! ouch!!!

[JB88]

im gonna have to reedit that last post i think.  

not quite itd how i meant to say it...sort of rambly.

time for bed.

congrats on your new system saintaw

88

[lazs2]

to get this back on topic... If you are such a masterdebater..

How come you look so ridiculous when you try to make a point here?    Guess it doesn't translate well to adults huh?

lazs

[Raider179]

Originally posted by patrone
ok, further question, about wounded: sorry

Ramstein surgons claim that they recived like 10,000 wounded from Iraq by end of fall 2003. About 3000 amputation had been perfomed, would you claim this to be BS?

Further more, there is claims that there are atleast 30,000 greencard holders serving USA defence forces in Iraq and that their deaths/wounds are not reported. A person that dies after coming under medic care is claimed not to be counted as a "death". Could there be any truth in this?

Could the real figures of dead US personal in Iraq, Already be much higher than it was after the first 2 years in Vietnam?

I would say 3000 is not the right number but cant find information regarding it....Out of 10,000 wounded 5000 were wounded Returned to Duty and 5000 were not.  3000 out ot 5000 although unlikely is not outside the realm of possibility by any means.  perhaps you can provide the link to your info...

This is the DOD casualty report

http://www.dod.gov/news/casualty.pdf

[Raider179]

Originally posted by patrone
To tell you the truth, about the German newpaper, I dont know.
The casulties? It was discussed at CNN a while ago (june I think). I safe stuff like this in text files, because "issues" like this are quickly burid and the links disapere, its a mistery, really.

usually if the link disappears it is because the story is no longer credible...

also saw the same report on Rummy on al-jazeera.net

[Raider179]

Originally posted by patrone
ok, further question, about wounded: sorry

Ramstein surgons claim that they recived like 10,000 wounded from Iraq by end of fall 2003. About 3000 amputation had been perfomed, would you claim this to be BS?

Further more, there is claims that there are atleast 30,000 greencard holders serving USA defence forces in Iraq and that their deaths/wounds are not reported. A person that dies after coming under medic care is claimed not to be counted as a "death". Could there be any truth in this?

Could the real figures of dead US personal in Iraq, Already be much higher than it was after the first 2 years in Vietnam?

Saw this same rumor a while back. It stated if they did not die in Iraq then they were not reported as deaths.  Found no evidence to support this and even if true doubt it would change our #'s by more than 100 or so. I would think not many soldiers who are seriously wounded and receive medical treatment in Iraq and then survive a trip outside of Iraq to Ramstien only then to die. That would take what 10-15 hours? Not many wounds would do this to you if you are already in our medical care. Any life-threatening wounds could be taken care of in Iraq or on hospital ships that are there.  The green card issue sounds unreasonable as well and if true doubt it would change the #'s much.

here is a link to a report of green card holders deaths reported..

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-04-08-noncitizen-usat_x.htm

[TweetyBird]

>>right leaning neo-fascist bullyboys<<

A while back someone posted asking for ideas for names of a band. Well look no further !

Right Leaning Neo-fascist Bullyboys

If thats not a band of 2010, I dunno what is.

[patrone]

Thank you Raider for your answers. You remember they where questions, not statements, I hope?

[Raider179]

yep

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by JB88
i once proved that the new jersy mafia was responsible for acid rain and that any attempts to alter current environmental impacts by the mafia would lead to thermonuclear war.

i had perfect sources.  it was a smooth arguement and very effective not by virtue of its actuall existance, but by logical leaps made by connecting respected sources.

All that shows is that you didn't know the difference between corrolation and causality.

[Habu]

Originally posted by JB88
sir.

couldnt bear the thought of missing out on such a fine collection of well honed (yet so perfectly contradictory) thoughts by right leaning neo-fascist bullyboys.  not that its rare on the web, but id have to find another address, and then get them all peed off before theyd realize how ineffibly ineffective they were with thier insideous cyber insults.  its just easier this way.  




authors note:  i mean that with love.  i have nothing but respect for my brothers and thier opinions, be they extreme, verbose, laterally challenged or otherwise inflammatory.  its more a nod of respect that one might see just before the judo kick to the skull.

Better watch it there Walter Mitty. Pump that head of yours any bigger and it might just pop!

[NUKE]

JB88, in your mind you are a great debater.

I love your style:

1. I'm about to tell you something, content to follow
2. Really, pretty soon I'm about to show you something amazing that will make you understand.
3. Pretty soon, I'm going to tell you what I'm talking about
4. Look, I'm going to really lay down a great argument....pretty soon.....stay tuned.
5. Okay, we all agree that I'm about to reveal my arguments. Can we all agree on this point?


Did you ever actually get around to explaining why Iraq was and will always be  a total mess, or did I miss something?

Man, you would be okay if you didn't set yourself up so poorly.

[JB88]

Originally posted by lazs2
to get this back on topic... If you are such a masterdebater..

How come you look so ridiculous when you try to make a point here?    Guess it doesn't translate well to adults huh?

lazs

never claimed to be laz.

and your sock puppet looks quite ridiculous.

[JB88]

Originally posted by NUKE
JB88, in your mind you are a great debater.

I love your style:

1. I'm about to tell you something, content to follow
2. Really, pretty soon I'm about to show you something amazing that will make you understand.
3. Pretty soon, I'm going to tell you what I'm talking about
4. Look, I'm going to really lay down a great argument....pretty soon.....stay tuned.
5. Okay, we all agree that I'm about to reveal my arguments. Can we all agree on this point?


Did you ever actually get around to explaining why Iraq was and will always be  a total mess, or did I miss something?

Man, you would be okay if you didn't set yourself up so poorly.

well, perhaps you are right.  im open to that.

but i think that you are being a bite selective and extreme.

you might also note that i had already even posted a note saying that i would need to re-edit the thought because it wasnt as clear as i would have liked it to have beenl

to me, a BB is as much a conversation as it is anything else.

i have nothing against you, nor do i have anything against the idea of changing my mind.  but that doesnt mean that i should do so to satisfy anothers thought process, nor does it mean that i should harbor some deeper respect for those who make it personal.

an interesting case in point, when i was out last night i had a long talk with a friend of mine who is a recently retired army military intelligence specialist.

he gave me some great perspective on the matter regarding taiwan.  

though he and i both agreed that the nuclear option simply wasnt an option as the us has no missle shield and the environmental consequences would be devastating globally.  (we are still seeing ill effects from nuclear activity)  but he did say that we would have to cut china off at the pass, because once they reached the shore of taiwan and infultrated, a geurilla war would be inevitable.

he changed my mind on some things.

i didnt mind that.

interestingly.  he thinks iraq is a total screw up too.

[JB88]

Originally posted by Habu
Better watch it there Walter Mitty. Pump that head of yours any bigger and it might just pop!

its humor habu.

walter mitty, thats funny.

if youd like ill send you a sock puppet.