Assassinate Hitler?

[JB88]

ive always felt that it is somewhat silly to lay the blame on one figure for all of the bad things that happen in these types of incidents.  (holocausts)

that is not to say that hitler isnt responsible.  he is.

but so many people were wrapped up in it.

and this isnt the only example.  in our own country, slaughter was commonplace on indian folk.

its one of the reasons that i am exceptionally leary of any mass swing to either side of the political spectrum.

its a snowball.

hitler was deeply affected by the conditions of germany following the first world war, as was germany.  they got shafted pretty hard by versailles.

so, a part of the blame goes to the original victors and then back and back and back and back.  over what?  a serbian assasination?

next thing you know, you are talking about an arguement that took place millenia ago.

how do we stop the cycle?  

could we?

its as if someone punched someone once and the world has been paying for it since.

[Siaf__csf]

Guys, YOU ARE so pathetically brainwashed that there are no brains left.

ROFL! Haul your bellybutton to a communist state and relearn your history handsomehunk!

Communism is the biggest cancer of the planet, especially in the hands of Stalin and the likes.

You forgot the holocaust Stalin committed within his own country? Gimme a break.

[Suave]

Would nazi germany have been much diferent without hitler ?

[JB88]

i think that fascism would have existed.  

the conditions were ripe.

hitler might have been named something like wilhelm merkenschmitz or something, but definately.

[bunch]

Rouge Male good movie staring Peter O'toole trying to kill (s)hitler

[JB88]

non nazi commercial break.


peter o'toole story i heard once.  off topic,
sorry.

he used to hate learning his lines, so in part of one production there was a scene where they handed him a scroll and he would read his lines from it.

someone decided one night to send it out blank

he rolled it out, saw that it was blank and then handed it back and said, "read this to me."

love that story.

(and now back to the hitler channel)

[Wotan]

Originally posted by Schaden
Talk about brainwashed I was not implying that Hitler was not the cause of the Holocaust, he just wasn't the one who put the nuts and bolts of the plan together and I don't think he ever signed orders to that effect - he probably gave verbal orders but did not incriminate himself - Goring actually did.

Go and be a ******** somewhere else.

First your claim above was:

Hitler encouraged the Final Solution but I don't recall anyone finding evidence of him signing off on orders - having said that the people who did develop the idea at Wannsee did so with the intent of pleasing Hitler

Do not change the context of what you said after you get called on it.

Of course he 'signed off on it'. Search 'Führer Order'. Clearly Hitler not only 'signed off' he directed what was to happen. Wannsee wasn't about satisfying Hitlers anti-Jewishness so he would be 'happy'. Search that forum for 'Wannsee'...

First, why would you think Hitler would have any interest in receiving incriminating documents about 'nuts and bolt' details, as long as he knew that the Jews were being killed?

What signed document have you seen with Himmler's or Göring's signature that explicitly calls for the extermination of the Jews?

The evidence against Hitler is clear. It's contained it the many 'euphemisms' in various documents and orders. His intentions are explained through many eye witnesses and in the minutes and diaries of his underlings. Hitler wasn't blind to the 'nuts and bolts' of what was going on and did more then just 'encourage' the Holocaust. It was perpetrated directly on his behalf.

He didn't need to sit in the meetings that planned out the 'nuts and bolts'. That's not how things work in government. He delegates and the 'nuts and bolts' get worked out by proper departments (see Wannsee etc..).

Go to that forum and start educating yourself. In fact an active post on the first page of that forum is entitled:

Primary Evidence about Hitler

If you post things that are wrong people will correct you. If that offends you then stfu and don't post stupid ****.

[Scaevola]

Why not go back further and wipe out Gavrilo Pricep, then there's the possibility that WWI didn't happen (highly unlikely as the european countries were already gearing up for war).

If the first world war never occured then the conditions that allowed Hitler and the facists to rise to power in Germany or Italy wouldn't be there.

The Germans (especially the army) thought they had been sold out by the high command/government at the time and they had not really been defeated in WWI.

The Italians were miffed that they were fighting against Germany in WWI but they were overlooked on the whole in the peace process that occured aftwards, they were expecting that some of the German overseas colonies would be ceded to them.

There were other factors involved I know but that would take a book in itself to explore all the reasons but the outcome of WWI was a major factor.

There's also the possibility that communism would fail to take hold in Russia.

Then again as stated earlier you would be changing a known quantity for the unknown and the World Wars with all their horrors were turning points in world history that I believe was for the betterment of mankind as a whole.

[storch]

very clever troll, go clean your catch.  kudos eskimblo you truly are a master.  

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by storch
very clever troll, go clean your catch.  kudos eskimblo you truly are a master.  

Why is this a troll?  Was Hitler a detriment to the Third Reich once he got the ball rolling?  Clearly debatable, but not an absurd question.  In fact, in spite of some good discussions brought up, I still stand firm that Hitler was more of a detriment to the Third Reich after 1938 than he was a help.  An exception being the very end of the war; if he would have died, perhaps Germany would have surrendered earlier and saved thousands of lives on all fronts.

eskimo

[patrone]

Thank you for a good post, Eskimo

Taking Hitler out after starting the War, might have shortened it, yes. But it might have made it even longer.

The plan to get revange on the WW1 winners, was formed, long before Hitler took Power. Infact, if the Generals would´nt have been behind him, his "coup" after the fire of the Reichstag, would have ended very abrupt.

[babek-]

IMHO its good that all assassination attempts against Hitler failed.

If he would have been killed years or months before he had to commit suicide, then today many of these neo-nazi scum would say "If these traitors wouldnt have killed our beloved Fuehrer, he would have brought us the Endsieg with his Wunderwaffen."

But so - all had to see how Hitler failed and finally died miserably by killing himself in Berlin after all was lost.

[spitfiremkv]

Originally posted by JB88
i think that fascism would have existed.  

the conditions were ripe.

hitler might have been named something like wilhelm merkenschmitz or something, but definately.

as far as I know, the only fascist regime was Musolini's. 'Fascism', from the word 'fascia' , which I thing means faction, correct me if I'm wrong, is a term that can be applied only to Italy.
bottomline: NAZI and FASCIST cannot be used interchangeably.

[Angus]

Boroda, you're right.
That SOB would better never have been born at all.

Or, alternitively, getting into art school and being stuck with painting....

(Churchill was still a better painter, hehe)

[lasersailor184]

No, Hitler had a lot of smart people under him.  They got Germany as far as it did during that war.  If someone said something he didn't like, they wouldn't wake up the next morning.


So that means that if Hitler didn't do what he did, someone else would have and they would have done it much better.