Author Topic: Assassinate Hitler? (Read 1545 times)

eskimo2 · « **on:** January 22, 2005, 01:04:15 PM »

Ohio43’s “Hitler” thread got me thinking about a hypothetical question that I have visited in the past.
The question: If you could go back in to a particular point in time and assassinate Adolf Hitler, would you? If so, what particular point in time would it be worthwhile? (Ignore personal time travel paradoxes)

For me the answer is yes, if before 1938. I think that initially Hitler did an amazing job of building a powerful and a ruthless war machine. The rational, reasonable, moral and outspoken in Germany were silenced. The most cold-blooded were put into positions of power. German technology, production and efficiency shined. Many of Germany’s citizens were proud and motivated.

During the Battle of Britain, however, Hitler started screwing up. (E.G. Bombing London out of retaliation, instead of keeping the pressure on the RAF. Taking on Russia as a second front. Ending advanced weapons development that could not be completed soon enough because he thought the war would be over before they were completed. And so on.)
He made a lot of poor strategic decisions; his desires and emotions outweighed reason.
In my mind, Adolf Hitler became the Allies greatest Ally. I think that if Hitler would have been assassinated around 1940, the Allies would have been in big trouble (assuming that his replacement would have trusted his military advisors more.)

What do you think?

eskimo

Boroda · « **Reply #1 on:** January 22, 2005, 01:13:42 PM »

Ration cards for butter and other food since 1936.

State antisemitism well before 1938.

Slaughtering political opponents, ban of the Communit party in 1933.

Looks like this "person" should never been born at all.

Furball · « **Reply #2 on:** January 22, 2005, 01:18:00 PM »

Eskimo, the British SOE set up a plan to assassinate hitler, called operation foxley: -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwtwo/killing_hitler_01.shtml

Some documents were declassified not so long ago which was the first people heard about it, BBC made a documentary about it.

eskimo2 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 22, 2005, 01:25:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Furball
Eskimo, the British SOE set up a plan to assassinate hitler, called operation foxley: -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwtwo/killing_hitler_01.shtml

Some documents were declassified not so long ago which was the first people heard about it, BBC made a documentary about it.

Interesting, "The most plausible date for SOE's assassination of Hitler would have been around 13-14 July 1944."

I guess it would have made sense to kill him at the end of the war as well. He was too much of a fanatic to recognize that Nazi rule was doomed and never would have given up.

I’ll modify my answer, yes if before 1938 or after mid 44.

eskimo

patrone · « **Reply #4 on:** January 22, 2005, 01:27:47 PM »

I really thing that you underestimate Hitler as a factor keeping the country in order, his ability to make speaches etc,etc.
This country was formed in ranks behind him and his thoughts of creating the third riche.

The assasination would have been done in a earlier phase, somewhere around 1935-36. maybe even erlier, to let a new leader fit into the "clothes". Who that would be, for sure not Goring and not Hess, not Himmler, maybe the Sadistic Goebbles could have filled that role.

The rebuilding of germanys military ability was not really a "nazi" doing. It had been done in secret with the help from Soviet (training pilots) Holland (bulding and training Submarines), Sweden ( constructing artillery at bofors) Switzerland (machineguns) long before Hitler came to power.

Given enough time, and by waiting 3-4 more years in starting the war, would have made Germany a real dangerous enemy to the whole world.

But, many of the achivements done by germany technicaly, was done as result of the war, dont forget this.

And to agree with Boroda, better if he never was born at all

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 22, 2005, 02:07:47 PM »

I wouldn't. If you assassinate Hitler, things would play out completely differently.

The moment the bullet kills hitler, there's a good chance you would blink out of existance.

Wotan · « **Reply #6 on:** January 22, 2005, 02:12:50 PM »

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Who that would be, for sure not Goring and not Hess, not Himmler, maybe the Sadistic Goebbles could have filled that role

The guy who was groomed to re-place Hitler was Reinhard Heydrich. He was assignated In May'42, by British-trained Czech agents.

There's some specualtion that Heydrich was poisoned. He was hit by shrapnel from an anti-tank grenade thrown by Jan Kubiš. The German autopsy states that Heydrich's death was a result of septicemia caused by bacteria and toxins from the bomb splinters. Some suggest that the the bombs contained a bio-toxin to ensure any one even wounded would die.

The Czech agents were pursued by the Germans to a nearby church and committed suicide to avoid capture.

Heydrich was the head of the Reichssicherheitshauptamt (RSHA) of which the SD, the Gestapo and the Einsatzgruppen were parts. He was one of the chief architects of the Holocaust and chaired the Wannsee conference.

In 1941 Heydrich was appointed Protector of Bohemia and Moravia and would drive around in an open top vehicle many times by himself. The Brits took advantage of this opportunity and sent in the Czech agents to kill him.

Heydrich was also a pilot. It has been said that he once flew a 109 sortie in the east and was forced down behind enemy lines (eng trouble IIRC).

Some also suggest his political skills were equal to or better then Hitlers. It is also claimed he had gathered material on all the top NSDAP some of it he may have used to his advantage.

spitfiremkv · « **Reply #7 on:** January 22, 2005, 02:37:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda

ban of the Communit party in 1933.

and that's wrong because?!?!?!

spitfiremkv · « **Reply #8 on:** January 22, 2005, 02:39:17 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
No. Given the opportunity I would not assassinate Hitler. The repercussions would be impossible to predict. We might end up with a world worse off than what we got.

yeah man than we'd have Kane! And tiberium! and Tanya.

and eventually Dune II

Boroda · « **Reply #9 on:** January 22, 2005, 02:40:32 PM »

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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
and that's wrong because?!?!?!

Because Communists were probably the most organised opposition to the regime. You can't overerestimate the role of Communists in anti-nazi underground.

spitfiremkv · « **Reply #10 on:** January 22, 2005, 02:45:57 PM »

Boroda, are you being funny on purpose?

Nod · « **Reply #11 on:** January 22, 2005, 02:57:10 PM »

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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
yeah man than we'd have Kane! And tiberium! and Tanya.

Whats wrong with that?

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #12 on:** January 22, 2005, 03:02:26 PM »

No spitfiremkv he's still brainwashed no matter how unbelievable that sounds. It's a fact.

patrone · « **Reply #13 on:** January 22, 2005, 03:26:20 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
No. Given the opportunity I would not assassinate Hitler. The repercussions would be impossible to predict. We might end up with a world worse off than what we got.

Well, we would nt know if the "final solution" ever would be enforced. Might have saved like 6 million jews, but just , might.

Flyboy · « **Reply #14 on:** January 22, 2005, 03:30:18 PM »

dont you think that picture is a tad too much?

please remove it eskimo