Author Topic: another one for you Laz....... (Read 934 times)

bustr · « **on:** January 25, 2005, 12:26:59 PM »

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/londonnews/articles/16101924?source=Evening%20Standard

lazs2 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 25, 2005, 02:42:45 PM »

no such thing as "unreasonable force" when it comes to burglars.

lazs

slimm50 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 25, 2005, 02:54:04 PM »

Amen, Lazs.

bustr · « **Reply #3 on:** January 25, 2005, 02:57:23 PM »

Laz,

I search the British press daily, Wales & England has no end to these problems. I feel fortunate living in Oakland california compaired to them. At least if the perp is in my house, I can use force as I see fit.

Furball · « **Reply #4 on:** January 25, 2005, 03:27:56 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
no such thing as "unreasonable force" when it comes to burglars.

lazs

i'm british and i agree.

if they break into your home... you should be able to make the bastages pay.

Furball · « **Reply #5 on:** January 25, 2005, 03:28:55 PM »

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Originally posted by bustr
Laz,

I search the British press daily, Wales & England has no end to these problems. I feel fortunate living in Oakland california compaired to them. At least if the perp is in my house, I can use force as I see fit.

and thats just BS, you make out its a daily occurance that it is in the news people cant protect their homes.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 25, 2005, 03:37:28 PM »

Err, the courts say that the people can't protect their own homes Furball...

Is "Lighting the burglar on fire" considered unreasonable force?

Glas · « **Reply #7 on:** January 25, 2005, 03:43:32 PM »

Yeah you should be allowed to use force, but not murder just for the hell of it. I guess I would be one of the 29% who believe even a burglar has some rights. Well, at least the right to live unless you are threatened yourself.

If the version of the Tony Martin story I heard is true, then he deserved to be jailed for killing that guy. Shooting someone in the back from a distance where you are under no immediate threat is plain murder imo, regardless of the circumstances.

Oh and btw, housebreakins are nowhere near as bad as you are making out bustr. I regularly forget to lock my front door both when I leave for work (12 hours) and when I go to bed. And I certainly dont stay in a priveleged area. In fact I live slap bang in the centre of a large town (Hamilton) which is on the outskirts of Glasgow, the largest city in Scotland.

Furball · « **Reply #8 on:** January 25, 2005, 04:15:55 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Err, the courts say that the people can't protect their own homes Furball...

you missed my point i think.

bustr · « **Reply #9 on:** January 25, 2005, 05:05:37 PM »

The majority of the increase is in wales and southern england in population centers. Same kind of pattern with most industrialised nations urban vs non-urban. I read very little about Scotland or Ireland reporting these kinds of increases in incidents. Most of the large urban population centers in the United States will show higher incidents of crime urban vs non. England and Wales has shown a increase in the 1 per 100,000 of population catigory in the last 7-8 years. This has been the root of the movement in southern england to change the laws on how a home owner can deal with a intruder. It's supported by older home owners and retirees. After all they make better targets anywhere.

nirvana · « **Reply #10 on:** January 25, 2005, 05:33:24 PM »

In Colorado we have the "Make My Day Law" (yes, from the movie) it says any force is reasonable as long as you are in immediate danger.....or something. If they have their back turned as in they are trying to get away from your 12 gauge or Colt 45, then its unreasonable. However, due to ummmm 4 burlaries (Dad lives in a bad place) I don't think there is unreasoanable force towards burglars. Just my opinion

hawker238 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 25, 2005, 05:34:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Glas
If the version of the Tony Martin story I heard is true, then he deserved to be jailed for killing that guy. Shooting someone in the back from a distance where you are under no immediate threat is plain murder imo, regardless of the circumstances.

Most definitely. At that point its just revenge.

bustr · « **Reply #12 on:** January 25, 2005, 05:49:05 PM »

It's very easy to search the internet and find all of the accounts and interviews of the Tony Martin case, I'll assume intilectual honesty with this group.

At the point that Tony Martin chose his course of action, his properties that he had just renovated had been vandilised numerous times by the same YOBS. The local police had made little or no effort to help him with his problem in the face of repeated requests. The YOBS were well known by the local community.

So Glas, Hawker, do either of you have a considerable investment of capitol, time and expectation of livelyhood in any properties?

Knowing you have fully researched this story, tell us how each of yourselves would have protected his property and expectation of a livelyhood from said property?

GreenCloud · « **Reply #13 on:** January 25, 2005, 05:55:17 PM »

so..what happens when the burglar is turning around to go for a wepaon you cant see?...

his back is too you...Im not waiting to see what hes got...

Blam blam blam...or in soem cases..as I may have tiem to go for the shotty..it may just e a BLUMP!!!...Double O Buckshot in ur back.....FU..thiefn potato

but most likly it would be the 9mil or 357 as its on my hanguns safe on my night stand..3 buttosn and ..spring loaded slid pops out those sweet rugers...

fear ..

Society is Safer ..When Criminals Dont know whos Armed

bustr · « **Reply #14 on:** January 25, 2005, 06:00:23 PM »

GreenCloud,

Do you live over at the Great White breeding ground near Stinson Beach and Bodega Bay? I live down town Oakland. Remember when Oaktown achived Murder Capitol USA status a few years back?