Time To Start Killing the Old People

[lada]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
You may be right. Only the two kids I have here at home know Im their father.
The other ones think the guy married to their mom is.

thats ok. Those guys also think they are their father too.

you should rename to CUCKOO

[J_A_B]

"what about cut down social security and make it mandatory for children to take care of their own parents. "

Um..how about..NO.     I'll try to be nice and simply put it this way:  That's about the single worst idea I've ever seen on this BBS.



There are two basic problems with our current system:


First of all, many people are kept alive even after they've degenerated into nothing more than semi-human poop manufacturing machines.  What is the POINT of force feeding (via tube) someone who can't get out of bed, can't think due to alzheimers, and has 0 quality of life?  Keeping someone in that condition alive isn't "life", it's torture.   They might not know what's going on, but believe me, their screams of pain are real enough after they've torn out their feeding tube for the fourth time because they don't know any better.

Of course, nursing homes and hospitals and such benefit massively from these kinds of long-term residents.  Hence they'd fight and and all efforts to stop pointlessly prolonging people's lives.


Second, the entire health care indistry is in dire need of strict price regulation.  Check out the annual price of a typical nursing home, and compare it to the average income of your typical working individual.  Prescription medication costs are out of control (largely due to pointless advertising which needs to be banned).   This is the problem the still-functional elderly have to live with and why the "graying" population will wreck the economy....they lose their entire life savings in a matter of months due to rampant costs.


J_A_B

[weaselsan]

I say we kill off all males under 35 and make sex slaves of their women....

[Lye-El]

Originally posted by weaselsan
I say we kill off all males under 35 and make sex slaves of their women....

And Weaselsan gets his own mother

[hawker238]

Form the lines....

[Maverick]

Not only are some of the folks in their second half century armed, they are experianced and would be damned hard to kill.


JAB, interesting point. It reminds me of another position that was stated and implemented over 60 years ago. I believe it was a plan to rid the society of defectives and support a "master race". Are you postulating such a thing again?

[moot]

Just a ref

[moot]

Didn't Aristotle envision herding off and eliminating the population's ballast too?

[J_A_B]

"JAB, interesting point. It reminds me of another position that was stated and implemented over 60 years ago. I believe it was a plan to rid the society of defectives and support a "master race". Are you postulating such a thing again?"


How cliche, the oh-so-common "I'm not really commenting on your suggestion but I'll call you Hitler anyway" post.  I know you're smarter than that, come up with something original.


I'm not advocating killing anybody.  I'm advocating letting nature take its course with people who are completely incapacitated mentally and physically.  Such people are currently kept alive in a life of torture and pain for no reason except the financial benefit of the facility they live in.   Even the blubbering Alzheimer's patients who no longer know what food is, much less how to feed themselves, still feel pain and suffering.


The real Hitlers are the people who want these patients artifically kept alive (or more accurately, half alive because that's no life) just so the health care industry can make more profit.  No better are the sad and pathetic people who can't say goodbye to their loved ones and would rather see them...linger...in such a condition.

I sincerely HOPE nobody lets me linger like that, ever.  I worked around such cases, I know what it's like.  



J_A_B

[Maverick]

Jab,

I did not call you hitler. I merely pointed out the relevant historical precedent for what you postulate. Your second post confirms the relationship.

"Letting nature take it's course" is exactly the same situation. One of the points of a civilization is how they treat those who cannot care for themselves. Exactly where in your utopia does it start? Should we innitiate a screening for defective fetal situations and eliminate them? What is the criteria for cutting the support off?

Do we establish an age where we start culling the population? What age? Do you want a medical criteria? What is the borderline level? What factors are the determining ones? Are they physical, mental or emotional.

Lastly who determines the need for this type of process?

[hawker238]

Originally posted by moot
Didn't Aristotle envision herding off and eliminating the population's ballast too?

Might have been Plato and Socrate's in Plato's "The Republic".

[J_A_B]

""Letting nature take it's course" is exactly the same situation."


Um...gassing 6 million Jews was not natural and was by no means "exactly the same".  That was sick and twisted.  Letting someone die a natural death when their body gives out instead of force-feeding them....well that is by definition natural.   I don't see how you could even compare the two, unless you monumentally mis-understand what I said.

You talk about civilization.  Tell me, how "civilized" is it to keep someone alive in a state of constant suffering just for the sole purpose of making the health care industry more profitable?  

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"Do we establish an age where we start culling the population? What age? Do you want a medical criteria? What is the borderline level? What factors are the determining ones? Are they physical, mental or emotional. "


Why is this so hard for some people to comprehend?

I AM NOT suggesting taking your 80-year-old grandmother out and having her shot just because she turned 80 last week.  I AM NOT suggesting having your retarded nephew gassed just because his IQ is below 90.   There is no "slippery slope" so don't even try to claim one exists.


Go to your local Alzheimer's ward to get an example of the people I mean.  Don't look at the people who are slowly wandering around asking about the train station in the non-existant basement or half-singing nursery rhymes or trying to escape but unable to due to the alarms or crying all day long begging to die; these people are still perfectly alive and not who I mean.

No, go into the rooms and look for the bad cases, the people who are bedridden and blubber and do nothing but sit there and convert their tube-fed stuff into poop and then get to marinate in it for however long it takes someone to actually notice then pull their feeding tube out and cry in pain because it hurts and they don't know why then cry when more when the nurse comes and sticks it right back in for the 10th time.

Is that your idea of civilization?   Every time I see someone forced to linger like that, I don't think it's civilization; I think it's a heartbreaking shame and a crime against humanity.




J_A_B

[Shamus]

Originally posted by J_A_B
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No, go into the rooms and look for the bad cases, the people who are bedridden and blubber and do nothing but sit there and convert their tube-fed stuff into poop and then get to marinate in it for however long it takes someone to actually notice then pull their feeding tube out and cry in pain because it hurts and they don't know why then cry when more when the nurse comes and sticks it right back in for the 10th time.

Is that your idea of civilization?   Every time I see someone forced to linger like that, I don't think it's civilization; I think it's a heartbreaking shame and a crime against humanity.




J_A_B

Amen

shamus

[Gunslinger]

WHen and IF the baby boomers start to retire wait till you see the labor shortages!  You thaught the "dot-com" bubble was an employees market....you aint seen nothin yet.

[JB88]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin

RUNNNNERRRRRRRR!!!!!