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Offline TweetyBird

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« Reply #135 on: January 30, 2005, 01:42:58 PM »
Ok what manly man pissed on my foot?

Seriously, this tinkle bells swinging is obnoxious..

Camel non-filters??? you girl. Kite - roll your own.

BTW, I think pound for pound information is better than support. So while support can be helpful in small doses (if people start crying its too much), having information of what actually going on will get you through the tough spots.
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« Reply #136 on: January 31, 2005, 08:53:43 AM »
ok tweety... here is the info... there is no good way to quit.   the only way to quit is to simply put the friggin things down and never pick em up again... you can jerk yourself off with nicotine products and patches all you want but..

It is gonna be painful no matter what... It's like a bad redwood splinter... quit screwing with it and take care of it.  

just friggin quit and quit crying about it.   Man up and just STOP.

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« Reply #137 on: January 31, 2005, 09:15:23 AM »
I actually agree with you lazs...

The only good and lasting way to quit in my opinion is to simply quit. Using alternatives just prolonges the process of getting rid of the addiction.

Makes you feel real good too knowing you did it that way.

But as I said earlier, the most important thing is to QUIT.

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« Reply #138 on: January 31, 2005, 10:08:00 AM »
Cold turkey works for some not all. Nicotine replacement works for some, not all. I've known people who smoked 3 1/2 packs a day and weren't as addicted to nicotine as someone smoking 3/4 of a pack. It's like alcohol. Some people are just more capable of getting severely addicted to it, and others aren't.

Because addicition is physiological, thinking that every individuals addiciton is going to be exactly the same is as ridiculous as thinking every individuals physiology is the same. If that was the case, everyone would be alergic to the same substance or no one would be.

Now Laz,  I'm not sure if you are intentionaly trying to be bombastic (I'm 99% sure you are), but commitment is only half the battle of beating addiction. Strategy is the second part. E.g., if you tried your certain "man up" (nike commercial "just do it") and just quit method of breaking an adiction to certain pain killers (and other medications) it could easily KILL YOU. So while a person addicted to those drugs needs to commitment to quit, they also need a specific strategy to accomplish it.

While nicotine is not fatal when suddenly withdrawn, its use in individuals varies. Its use can be as simple as a stimulant or as complex as self medicating depression or other neurological disorders (bipolar, ADD etc.). The strategy for quitting nicotine for ssomeone who is using it for self medication is going to be different than someone who using it for a stimulant.

So in short, if a person has been unsuccessful quitting nicotine cold turkey, by all means use nicotine replacement if its working for you. The patch makes more sense to me than the gum or inhalers as it doesn't devote your whole day attending to your addiction (reinforcing the psychological aspect of the addiction).
If you've quit numerous times and have went back after months, chances are you are self medicating an underlying condition. Make a plan to see a doctor after a couple of months off  of nicotine so you can treat that condition properly. Or see a doctor now and try it with wellbutrin (or other antidepressants that have proven effective - there's about 7 but they don't market as well).

Thats the info - heres the bombast

Only women smoke prerolled cigarettes down here in nutria country. Men fill em and lick em in 5 seconds. Sissies take longer.
And we don't call em cigarettes - hell thats a female cigar. We call em kites or smokes. I bet you're the type that needs to cook your nutria before you eat it (or shreik like a girl and say "ewwwww a RAT!")....
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« Reply #139 on: January 31, 2005, 10:25:50 AM »
Nilsen, i just noticed your sig...

sorry for your loss man, my condolences and thoughts for your family.
And I don't know much, but I do know this. With a golden heart comes a rebel fist.

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« Reply #140 on: January 31, 2005, 10:28:41 AM »
The hardest thing to control(IMO)is eating. Food is the most addicting thing there is. The proof is the fact that my two biggest addictions now are Oreo blizzards and Thomas Kemper root beer.
     Quitting smoking, drinking, using drugs and caffiene were easy. Food is not.

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« Reply #141 on: January 31, 2005, 10:29:43 AM »
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So in short, if a person has been unsuccessful quitting nicotine cold turkey, by all means use nicotine replacement if its working for you. The patch makes more sense to me than the gum or inhalers as it doesn't devote your whole day attending to your addiction (reinforcing the psychological aspect of the addiction).


Exactly correct for me as well.

It's easier for me to quit if I ween myself off the substance I'm addicted too.

Smoking is a 2 fold addiction. It's both physically and Psychologically addicitive.

The patch allows me to break the psychological addiction which to me is much harder, without the side effects and constant craving of nicotine withdrawl at the same time.

I'm on day 3 now and feel great. I have to go to a lower dose patch in 5 weeks. Then off the patch all together 6 weeks after that.

I really recommend trying this for those who cannot quit cold turkey. And it works much better than the gum for me.

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« Reply #142 on: January 31, 2005, 10:37:36 AM »
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Nilsen, i just noticed your sig...

sorry for your loss man, my condolences and thoughts for your family.


thx  :)

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« Reply #143 on: January 31, 2005, 02:41:26 PM »
BS tweety... I have quit about everyu drug there is and smoking.   some were real real real unpleasnat to quit... heroin was kinda tough but it sure didn't kill me...  I used it every day for a couple of months and then quit.   pot was easy... stupid damn drug anyway.

hardest drugs to quit were booze and crank.  

but to even think that quitting smoking cold turkey is a big deal.... it's friggin laughable.   It was unpleasant.   It was unpleasant for a long time... I still wanted one after a year... still thought about smoking after 2 or three years.   Don't even think about it now or desire em in any way.   It was no harder or eaisier for me to get it out of my system than for anyone else... at 3 packs a day I would say I was about at saturation point.  

It's tough... no kidding about it... just friggin quit and get it over with..  There is no easy way or magic way.

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« Reply #144 on: January 31, 2005, 02:51:59 PM »
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pot was easy... stupid damn drug anyway.


I never understood having a pot addiction. I mean, I guess it happens, but I just don't get it.

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« Reply #145 on: January 31, 2005, 02:58:49 PM »
Laz are you stating there are no addictive drugs that if suddenly halted can cause stroke and seizure? Please state if you are saying that so I can blow you out of the sky.

>>BS tweety... I have quit about everyu drug there is and smoking. <<

The only BS here is that statement. Using your casual drug use as some type of text on withdrawing from specific drugs is ridiculous.
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« Reply #146 on: January 31, 2005, 03:01:48 PM »
I've seen someone go through Heroin withdrawls and it's not a pretty sight.

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« Reply #147 on: January 31, 2005, 03:02:00 PM »
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Laz are you stating there are no addictive drugs that if suddenly halted can cause stroke and seizure?


Hell, even quitting drinking can cause that.

Prescription meds are the worst for that, though.

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« Reply #148 on: January 31, 2005, 03:10:49 PM »
Heroin withdrawal is gross but it won't kill you. Withdrawal from barbituates can kill you if not done properly. And as Nash stated, in some people sudden withdrawal of alcohol can cause convulsions, dt's etc.
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« Reply #149 on: February 01, 2005, 08:51:59 AM »
yep... and "some people" die of bee stings and others get really sick from friggin mold in their house.

I know you can give examples of people who died from sudden quitting of booze and downers but... And I bet Nash can back me up on this.... I bet we seen lots of guys and girls who quit cold turkey or weaned themselves off of both booze and heroin and while unpleasant, were no where near death (although they looked like it)...  as for "casual use"... I don't think so.   I also seen thousands of alkies in my years in AA.   never seen one die from quitting.

regarless.... sissy boy is not gonna die from quitting his sucking habit... with or without patches and hand holding.

lazs