Author Topic: quitting smoking (Read 3050 times)

TweetyBird · « **Reply #180 on:** February 03, 2005, 08:41:39 PM »

That was a purple/pink book

Nash · « **Reply #181 on:** February 03, 2005, 08:49:50 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
That was a purple/pink book

My copy had a picture on the front.

Well said, Lazs. Ya know... it never occured to me that some of the people there were in attendance against their will. Prolly the guys that never said a word.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #182 on:** February 03, 2005, 08:50:18 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
If quitting cold turkey don't work for you after numerous attempts then nothing else probly will. you just aint ready to quit.

lazs

Really, that's all there is to it.

Don't give Lazs **** because you don't have the drive or determination to do it the only way it really works.
-SW

TweetyBird · « **Reply #183 on:** February 03, 2005, 08:58:23 PM »

Ah Wulfe, you need to read the RED book.

"You can't solve a problem? Well, get down and investigate the present facts and its past history! When you have investigated the problem thoroughly, you will know how to solve it. Conclusions invariably come after investigation, and not before. Only a blockhead cudgels his brains on his own, or together with a group, to "find a solution" or "evolve an idea" without making any investigation. It must be stressed that this cannot possibly lead to any effective solution or any good idea." - Mao Tse-Tung

Nash · « **Reply #184 on:** February 03, 2005, 09:10:01 PM »

To back Tweety up a little, it was kind of drilled into our heads that (and I think Einstein said it) the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over yet expect a different result. Or something like that.

If cold turkey aint working, and never has, then why not try something else? What's there to lose?

But... if the patch and gum system doesn't work either, it's time to look a bit deeper.

The patch, or methadone, or whatever else... is to let ya down easy. Because there's a healthy amount of fear wrapped up in quitting anything. And at the very least, these things can be enough to bring your head around to the possibility of trying, whereas cold turkey can keep some folks on the streets or continue to be life-long smokers.

Definitely cold turkey is the best. There's no question. But if that aint gonna bring you to the table, you might as well try something else.

Just thought about it. Tomorrow marks my one year anniversary of being released from treatment. Tonight marks my one year anniversary of the last day working on the soup lines, 6 hours of counseling, an NA or AA meeting, sleeping on some 5hitty little cot, and saying bye to some really amazing people.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #185 on:** February 03, 2005, 10:22:33 PM »

Re edits - wtg. The wierd thing is good memories can come out of dismal situations. I know its a brain trick, but to lay on a king-sized matress and miss the coziness of a shiatty little cot.. well, I've never understood the brain trick...but it happens!

Nash · « **Reply #186 on:** February 03, 2005, 10:27:04 PM »

Absolutely...

Airhead · « **Reply #187 on:** February 03, 2005, 11:45:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
To back Tweety up a little, it was kind of drilled into our heads that (and I think Einstein said it) the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over yet expect a different result. Or something like that.

The correct quote is "Redundency is doing the same thing, over and over again, and expecting a different result." And Einstein didn't say it- it was my buddy Steve, after trying to help me with a computer problem on the telephone for three hours.

He then hung up the phone and hasn't spoken to me since then.

That was back in Windows 95.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #188 on:** February 04, 2005, 07:09:11 AM »

Nah, Steve said "boinka" or something like that

JB88 · « **Reply #189 on:** February 04, 2005, 07:10:58 AM »

i liked lila better personally.

my copy of that was torqouise.

megadud · « **Reply #190 on:** February 04, 2005, 07:16:41 AM »

this thread is too long for me to read so i am going to reply for the title...

i forgot the title....

smoking is bad mmk!

eat the gum chew the patch quit smokin !!!!

down with cancer stix!!!!!

Jimmy died at 23 of lung cancer....................... ................

Jimmy DIDN'T EVEN SMOKE!!!!!!!!

poor jimmy.............

second hand smoke kills!!! think of the children!!!!!

megadud

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #191 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:23:21 AM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Ah Wulfe, you need to read the RED book.

Sure, I'll get right on it.

We're talking nicotine here, not heroin or crack.

If you need to be eased off it, it's because you don't have the ability to remind yourself of why you don't want to do that crap anymore. Drive and determination, that's how you stop smoking. Not this ***** patch ****.
-SW

JB88 · « **Reply #192 on:** February 04, 2005, 09:10:13 AM »

i think that nuke summed it up well when he mentioned the bum walking around with 25 patches attached to his body.

quitting means quitting.

nicotine is a drug.

you are either on the drug, or off the drug.

lazs2 · « **Reply #193 on:** February 04, 2005, 09:41:03 AM »

looks like 88 is starting to man up a little.

tweety.. Do you think that the government should be involved in AA or NA? What do you find "scientific" about AA and can you name all the research and metodolodgy used by those groups? Does their in house scientist run the show?

oh, and nash... congrats. I know that junkies have the hardest time understanding and maintaining their own recovery. I have seen junkies go back out after 10 years clean... it is a very seductive drug for some people.

lazs

TweetyBird · « **Reply #194 on:** February 04, 2005, 10:43:20 AM »

No I don't think the government should be prescribing AA, NA or any 12 step program. I don't think 12 step programs are for everyone, nor will they help everyone. Someone with a biochemical problem can turn his life over to a higher power, but unless he gets medical treatment he's still going to have a biochemical imbalance. Prescribing a 12 step program is just an easy way to move a problem somewhere else. Judges prescribe AA like "snake oil." Its an easy way to move the problem child out of the court room and feel good about yourself for "helping" them. Its a panacea.

12 step programs are one strategy for breaking an addiction. Anyone who thinks its the only strategy or the best strategy for every case is pretty ignorant about addiction. If an underlying medical problem is causing a predisposition for addiction, it just seems obvious that underlying problem should be addressed.