Author Topic: quitting smoking (Read 3048 times)

Nash · « **Reply #150 on:** February 01, 2005, 10:15:17 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
... And I bet Nash can back me up on this....

Yeah, I've never seen anyone die from quitting. But then again, I was just in that environment long enough to do my thing and get on with it. I do know a couple of people who've quit, relapsed and OD'd because their tolerance was nowhere near what it was. But that's a different thing.

I guess the biggest parallel I can see from the cig quitting and heroin quiting is the patch/gum and methadone. Alotta addicts take that route and whooo boy it just makes things worse. It turns a couple of month process into 6 months minimum.... and some stay on methadone for the rest of their lives.

I was still smoking all through detox and around a month into rehab. It wasn't a walk in the park to quit, but my resolve was pretty strong at that point and it really did pale in comparison...

So here's a tip straight from me: if you wanna make quiting smoking easier, just become a junky and then BOOM!... quit them both. I promise that you will barely notice the nicotine withdrawl.

Kidding of course. Uhm.... That being said, if this or any thread is gonna help someone quit smoking, even in just some small way, what the hell... I don't got a prollem with that. All for it, in fact.

2stony · « **Reply #151 on:** February 01, 2005, 10:32:43 AM »

Here's a theory I use when I try and get someone to quit smoking. If you smoke a pack a day, and let's say a pack costs $3, you'd save $1,095 per year. If you start smoking in your late teens and say you're around your late 20s, that's $10,950 you'd save in ten years. We all know that a pack probably costs more than that, so you figure it out. I know I can find a lot better things to do with the money than spend it on a slow death.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #152 on:** February 01, 2005, 11:35:40 AM »

Laz, I didn't say anyone was gonna die from quitting cigarettes or alcohol. I didn't say every person who quit barbituates cold turkey was going to die. I was making a point that addictions were different from drug to drug, from person to person. Every quit to every addiction starts with the decision and the commitment to break the addiction. After that the strategy can differ a lot depending on the person and the drug.

I wouldn't call someone a sissy for using the patch (or any NRT) if it helps them break their addiction. Its just a different strategy than cold turkey. The commitment is EXACTLY the same. I wouldn't call someone a sissy for going to AA or NA if it helps them get off alcohol or drugs. Its one strategy to realize a commitment. Twelve steps is not the only strategy though its proven successful with a lot of people. It becomes evident that its not the only strategy when its misused on people suffering from biochemical imbalances.

My point was only that addictions differ so strategies differ. The "just do it " part, is not the strategy, its the decision or commitment. Some do it without any strategy. Some need one. Whether they do or don't say's nothing about the person or their initial decision and commitment. Its more telling of their specific addiction.

lazs2 · « **Reply #153 on:** February 01, 2005, 02:47:32 PM »

well... I agree with nash on this one.... seen lots of methadone junkies... they either relapsed or they stayed methadone junkies and methadone is bad enough... might as well still be on heroin... seen some who did both methadone and heroin.... recovery rate for junkies is very low long term and I think methadone just makes it worse. Might save a few car stereos and windows from being broken but that's about it.

I think the patch for cigs is like methadone. It is a dumb idea... might save us from having to smell the smoke and prevent a few fires but doubt that it was ever the reason that someone was able to quit nicotene.

When junkies go back out (as nash points out) they sometimes die from an OD because their tolerance is so much lower.... at least with smoking... all that happens is that the sissy gets a little sick from the OD of nicotene.

baby the little wuss all you want... you aint doing him any good.

lazs

TweetyBird · « **Reply #154 on:** February 01, 2005, 08:31:17 PM »

>>baby the little wuss all you want... you aint doing him any good. <<

On which moon of Jupiter did formulating a strategy become babying? Going to AA was a strategy - either yours' or the court's. You feel coddled? I assume it was YOUR strategy, because if it was court ordered, there would have not been the all important decision and commitment. You'd still be a drunk. So your strategy is good and not sissy, but other strategies are?

Which of the 12 steps is that?

lazs2 · « **Reply #155 on:** February 02, 2005, 08:56:17 AM »

tweety... when I went to AA there were no court ordered people there. AA is sadly not the same as it was then.

No one in AA told me to drink less. No one in NA told me to wean myself off drugs. They told you to quit. They told you that they had done so. I recall that when I was telling some of them my sad story of losing everthing and how tough it was for me they busted out laughing. My story was pretty funny to em but by no means unique. There were no "strategies" other than to admit your addiction and quit. They were there for you when you were trying to lie to yourself.

one of the things I find amusing is that 88 doesn't trust his own government with national security within or without the borders (neither do I particularly) but he has the utmost faith in big blobal corporations selling him snake oil in the form of "patches"... not even thinking that they are better served if he stays addicted.

lazs

TweetyBird · « **Reply #156 on:** February 02, 2005, 11:47:32 AM »

I have no delusions that GlaxoSmithKline is benevolent. They strategicaly price their product to capitalize on the addiction ( a little more than cigarettes but not too much more).

And no, it wouldn't be a great to be addicted to nicotine in any form for the rest of your life. But there is one undeniable immediate benefit. When a smoker stops using cigarettes and uses another form of delivery, lung damage stops immediately.

This best possible way to quit smoking is educate yourself on the addiction ( https://www.kintera.org/site/apps/kb/home/login.asp?kntaw1360=21863D6CDAEB430D84B41ACD07652A2A&c=dvLUK9O0E&b=38973&membershipreq=83912&targetURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Elungusa%2Eorg%2Fsite%2Fpp%2Easp%3Fc%3DdvLUK9O0E%26b%3D22933

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and stop cold turkey( again lung damage stops immediately). In 3 days you'll be out of the hardest part of withdrawal and in 2 weeks you'll be 95% back to normal. But if that ain't working for you after numerous attempts, it would by stupid not to try another way of quitting.

Muckmaw1 · « **Reply #157 on:** February 02, 2005, 01:00:18 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
But if that ain't working for you after numerous attempts, it would by stupid not to try another way of quitting.

Exactly correct.

lazs2 · « **Reply #158 on:** February 02, 2005, 01:49:12 PM »

If quitting cold turkey don't work for you after numerous attempts then nothing else probly will. you just aint ready to quit.

lazs

Nash · « **Reply #159 on:** February 02, 2005, 02:07:45 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
AA is sadly not the same as it was then. No one in AA told me to drink less. No one in NA told me to wean myself off drugs. They told you to quit.

Lazs... Is it different down there? Do they actually support weaning yourself off now?

TweetyBird · « **Reply #160 on:** February 02, 2005, 04:29:52 PM »

>>If quitting cold turkey don't work for you after numerous attempts then nothing else probly will. you just aint ready to quit.
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Well thats a whole simpler than doing all that damn research on addiction , serotonin, receptors etc. I wonder why all those doctors with walls and walls of diplomas didn't think of that.
They just aint ready.

Depression - snap out of it
schizophrenia - call an exorcist
ADD - that boy aint right
bipolar- they're just being moody

Damn science. Its a lot easier to be cold.

The problem I have with tough love is its a lazy man's out. It requires less work to be mean than to be helpful.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #161 on:** February 02, 2005, 04:38:16 PM »

Stick with it Muckmaw. I have friend who was a compulsive smoker and quit with the patch. He's been nicotine free over 2 years now.

ghi · « **Reply #162 on:** February 02, 2005, 04:48:59 PM »

i heard on the radio a doctor saying to eat carotts when need cigarettes and can quit smoking, but did't help me
That's what i did, i went to grocery store and for 7.50$ CAD, (the price of cigarettes here), i got about 10 lbs of carotts,
I eat lot of carotts 5-6 days,like rabits, but i got diarrhoea, lot of A vitamines improved my eyes view, i could see cigarettes butts on the street for half mile away

Urchin · « **Reply #163 on:** February 02, 2005, 04:59:38 PM »

LOL ghi!

Nash · « **Reply #164 on:** February 02, 2005, 05:21:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
LOL ghi!

Yeah, that was frickin hilarious.