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Offline wombatt

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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2005, 06:40:48 PM »
To fire someone thats already working for you because they are fat or they smoke is BULLCHIT!!!


Now I you decide that you want to make a new policy of not hiring anyone who smokes or is whom you deem over weight
then thats different even though I still think it smells of discrimination.
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2005, 06:43:31 PM »
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To fire someone thats already working for you because they are fat or they smoke is BULLCHIT!!!


Now I you decide that you want to make a new policy of not hiring anyone who smokes or is whom you deem over weight
then thats different even though I still think it smells of discrimination.


you're fired.
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2005, 08:03:37 PM »
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you're fired.


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Offline RTStuka

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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2005, 09:00:55 PM »
This guy has got just be sick of running a business and wants to go out in a blaze of glory and media hype.
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Offline LePaul

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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2005, 09:05:52 PM »
Heck I applaud the guy

At my last job, I endured working with a married couple.  In a 3 man shop, 2/3 of it was out, every hour...on the hour...for a 15 minute smoke break.  Oh but dont you worry, if they were asked to stay a minute after 5:00, they were insisting on overtime.
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Offline Vulcan

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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2005, 09:06:46 PM »
Where does it end though...

smoking...
fat...
drinking...
you watch TV? its bad for your eyes.
you watch porn? you're a deviant.
what sort of car do you drive? is it a volvo? if nots its not safe enough ditch it and buy a volvo...


and so on.
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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2005, 09:10:26 PM »
It's quite simple.  Right now its an employers market and you have choices in who you employ or who you don't.  I can see not smoking on the work dime but smoking on your own I'd just say you arent eligable for insurance.  

Smoking is a choice just like working.
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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2005, 09:13:09 PM »
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Doubt it will make a lawsuit at all.  More than likely he is in a right to work state and the workers will have to deal with his "requirements" to stay at the job.  I say kudos to him for encouraging a better lifestyle on those that do not have the gumption to do it themselves.  If they do not like it, they can exercise their rights and quit.

Oh, and as someone else said, I bet his insurance premiums go down big time!


Encouraging his workers to have a better lifestyle? More like demanding that they do as he wants or they lose their job.
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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2005, 09:14:00 PM »
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Encouraging his workers to have a better lifestyle? More like demanding that they do as he wants or they lose their job.


The military requires you to maintain physical fitness standards I don't see why civilian employers can't do the same.
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Offline Cobra412

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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2005, 09:44:23 PM »
People shouldn't be forced to get a companies insurance either.  They should be allowed the option to find other companies.  By making them take your companies insurance and then adding clauses later that say your violating company insurance rules is absurd.  It's a cheap way to do as you please and make your own rules as you go along.  

Tell them it's illegal to smoke at work, fine.  To tell them they have to quit smoking because your on our insurance policy is just wrong.  Same goes with forcing people work out just because they are forced to take your insurance policy.  

If this owner is really concerned about the health of his/her employees then they'd have offered the options to quit smoking and get healthy earlier.  Not force them now to make a choice or else.  They are just trying to get a good rate on insurance policies so they can stuff more money in the owners pockets.  

I can bet if they gave them the option of purchasing their own insurance alot of this wouldn't be an issue.  I can also bet if they said the money saved on company insurance policies would go to raises and other benefits to the workers they'd be more willing to change their life style.  To tell them you have to quit or your fired is bs.  They aren't committing any crimes.  They are violating your new insurance policy because you give them no other options other than your insurance policy.

It's much like getting insurance to drive a vehicle.  You have to meet certain standards of coverage depending on your state to be able to drive in that state.  They should make it so the workers have the option of purchasing their own insurance and keeping their jobs so long as that policy meets certain guidelines.  The insurance policy would have to cover for the type of job you have so it would not cause any burden on the company you work for if you are injured in any way on the job.
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Offline LePaul

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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2005, 10:03:41 PM »
Wanna really save a company money?  Take the burden of offering health care benefits off of them
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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2005, 10:22:03 PM »
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The military requires you to maintain physical fitness standards I don't see why civilian employers can't do the same.


Thats the military.....this is a civilian who is trying to force his employees to change their habits. This is America.....there is something that is fundamentally wrong about all of this.
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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2005, 10:28:25 PM »
So all companies have to offer health care benefits?  I don't think so .  It's the difference though as to whether or not someone will work for you though if you don't offer them.  If you don't atleast offer it then the skilled workers will turn to someone else to work for instead.  Which means the competition offering such benefits will be a better choice for all the skilled workers out there.    

If the costs of medical care itself weren't so over inflated then medical insurance wouldn't be so over priced either.

I've seen the costs for my medical appointments and my wifes where they lasted no more than 15 minutes with nothing more than your okay and they charged ungodly amounts to our insurance company.  Maybe they should take into account for appointments that weren't met on time either for routine checkups.  Charge the medical care facilities for failing to meet their appointment on time and wasting my time away from my job in the process.
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« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2005, 10:55:23 PM »
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The military requires you to maintain physical fitness standards I don't see why civilian employers can't do the same.


Do they boot you out if you smoke off duty?

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« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2005, 11:16:17 PM »
Isnt there a federal law that requires employers to provide health insurance?
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